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Been concentrating on proof varieties this summer and finally found this one. -- FS-103/801. Very happy to get one without resorting to buying one already attributed. From the die scratches on the neck, looks to be stage A. Most sellers cannot take a decent pic of a proof coin so that is definitely a limitation to searching for the proof varieties. Luckily, these pics were good enough and nobody snatched it up. Had to use the seller's pics because I cannot get better ones. http://www.varietyvista.com/01a%20L...5PDDO004.htm  Edited by CentSation
09/13/2021 10:52 pm
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Not seeing a doubled die. I'm seeing flat field doubling and Machine Doubling. Flat field doubling is caused by the first strike on the coin with Machine Doubling. The second strike flattens the first MD, then on the second strike, it received a second Machine Doubling strike. That is what you are seeing on your coin. No hub doubling. There can be FFD on a doubled die, but your coin was struck with a normal proof die. so premium for this. Just the value for that years proof value. |
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I can't say for certain if this is the DDO / DDR without closeups. But I think I see the collar gouge and there are N/S die scratches on the neck. Plus I see some extra thickness in the right places. I would have took the chance and bought this one as well if I saw it. |
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Flat field doubling:     This is not a doubled die, but slight flattening of the first strikes Machine Doubling. Sometimes it even happens on the second strike. But the first strike MD get flattened by the second strike.    This MD flattening on the first strike is also seen on doubled dies. But the flat field doubling is not part of the doubled die, but just flattened MD on the first strike.     So when you see proof coin coin listings, the flat field doubling is not the same strike to strike. Thus they are not doubled dies and not part of a doubled die. So keep this in mind when looking at the sites. It even happens on RPMs as well. (Sorry no images that I can show right now. It can be mild or extreme. Just depends on the first strike Machine Doubling on the proof coins. Listings of doubled dies that also show flat field doubling, but, this is not part of the doubled die: http://varietyvista.com/01b%20LC%20...O%201960.htmhttp://varietyvista.com/01b%20LC%20...2PDDO013.htmNote the date area on this link below: http://varietyvista.com/01b%20LC%20...2PDDO029.htmThis is a ghost looking example of flat field doubling. IT is common to see after you figure out what it is. CoopHome: What is flat field doubling?Edited by coop
09/14/2021 08:31 am
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Without better pictures, I can't say one way or the other, sadly.
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Agree, just too much glare.
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Edited by CentSation
09/14/2021 8:08 pm
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Nice one!  I thought I saw some extra thickness on the E in WE and the L in PLURIBUS. Other than that, the doubling is not easily visible if at all in the sellers pics. Lighting is too bright and shadows are too heavy. Die markers are definitely what clinched this one. I also may have cherrypicked a proof DD of my own with less than ideal photos this past Sunday, still waiting for it to arrive. I'll try to post if it goes the way I expect. Edited by Tanman2001
09/14/2021 8:22 pm
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"I also may have cherrypicked a proof DD of my own with less than ideal photos this past Sunday, still waiting for it to arrive. I'll try to post if it goes the way I expect." Excellent |
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Congrats on a great pick. I thought I noticed some thickness on the E dot PLU as well.
(Some sellers make it a little easier while others intentionally use the lighting to be "tricky". 0ne seller always has nice clear images of their proof sets but Linocln's are hit and miss with the clarity. Some will use lighting glare to mimic hub doubling.)
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