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 Posted 09/29/2021  12:03 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Jdsmall to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Hello all, have a pillar dollar I would like opinions on. Coin weight was about 26.8 grams. Bought it from a coin shop online that has a pretty good reputation. One local shop said it was genuine.. Another local shop said fake copy, from 3 feet away.
I did get him to check weight,, its good then he tested it and it is 90+silver on his machine. So he is unsure.. Has one chop mark on back. Looks good to me, anyones thoughts?



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 Posted 09/29/2021  12:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Jdsmall to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Here is another one I have Carlos 3. Worth sending in for grading?


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 Posted 09/29/2021  12:46 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CoinHunter4 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Beautiful coins! I like the rim designs... If the second one is real and worth over $150 (I don't really know), then I would say Yes it probably is worth sending in.
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 Posted 09/29/2021  10:09 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Greasy Fingers to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
to CCF.

Can't say about the coins, but I like your ring.

Give it some time and the pros should come around, good luck
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 Posted 10/01/2021  03:30 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add realeswatcher to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
As an FYI, most of the dedicated Spanish Colonial/post-Colonial people don't seem to look at this sub-forum much. Would be better in the World Coins main forum.

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Another local shop said fake copy, from 3 feet away

He might have jumped to that conclusion based on 1760 - the date of the ubiquitous Becker copy/replica (usually given away by the obvious "die crack" in the R field, though one shouldn't rely on that absolutely).

I gave the 1760 the People's Eyebrow for a second because of how deeply the edge pattern happens to be applied, but I see a genuine piece. Upon first glance, one might see the top legend running into the rim as a red flag (as it bears passing similarity to how legends get cut off near the rims on many fakes), but here that's just an effect of a slightly small planchet struck very slightly off-center.

Nice patina and the chop is enough for some character... yet not offensively overt.

1761 looks genuine from here. VF+ detail, slightly uneven strike by date (probably an edge design overlap there)... Does look lightly cleaned at one time (possibly an old dip) - needs to tone up a bit in a supervised manner for a bit.

Also, not sure what that is between VTRAQUE and VNUM... an old cut, or - and I'm not sure how plausible this is - perhaps even a strange effect from edge application? That spot does happen to be directly across from where I think one edge overlap is... and that "cut" is a bit odd-looking.

For my own amusement, could you get a closeup of that area... and also edge pattern pics by that spot and across the coin by "1 7" of the date?
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 Posted 10/01/2021  1:15 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Jdsmall to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yeah, its a scratch in the 61. When I first saw it it looked funny till you see it close. Here is a couple pics, edge pic not the best hard with my phone.

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 Posted 10/01/2021  2:06 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Jdsmall to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for the responses. I will post in main world forum next time. I have a local coin show coming in November that has an anacs rep. Might send them in and see what they say. I am putting together a type set of colonial 8 reales, trying to get nice coins, but I do see fakes and after reading a lot, I am suspicious about good looking ones to,lol. From reading about these I can spot the obvious fakes. I have seen the 1760 die break copy you mentioned for sale a couple times.
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