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1775 Machin's Mills Copper Or Halfpenny? (Help With Determination)

 
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 Posted 10/01/2021  8:08 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add CoinHunter27 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Purchased this today for $20. I figured it was a good deal if it turns out to be a Machin Mill's like I hope for and as it was marked as. It's tough to pinpoint whether it is a machin or a halfpenny since I don't have any variety references with me, so any help on determining if this is indeed a machin mills or a British halfpenny would be greatly appreciated, thanks! I believe after some research that it is likely a halfpenny and not a Mills, but any information or agreement would be great!

-CH27

No setup with me currently, so apologies for the so-so photos



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Edited by CoinHunter27
10/02/2021 12:11 am
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 Posted 10/02/2021  01:17 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add realeswatcher to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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if it turns out to be a Machin's Mills like I hope... tough to pinpoint whether it is a machin or a halfpenny

They're ALL halfpennies, in essence... whether British regal issues, British-made contemporary counterfeits or acknowledged American and Canadian-origin types (such as Machin's pieces).

That said, no, this is NOT the 1775-dated Machin's Mills (1775 is easy - there is only one die pairing). It is also not a "regal" halfpenny... but rather a garden variety contemporary counterfeit, presumably of British origin (there are more contemp ctfeits of this date than regal pieces). There are attempts to catalog and die/punch-link these... but long story short, this wouldn't be considered any kind of "interesting" example, I don't believe.

Hopium is a dangerous yet unfulfilling drug... If you're going to attempt cherrypicking Machin's in the wild (which is not impossible), you should know them cold or at least have a ready reference.



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as it was marked as

Seller was either "ignorant" (likely for the sake of plausible deniability) OR fully knew it was just a common $5-10 British CC but marked it Machin's thinking a bargain hunter would get all excited about it at that price - and that's exactly what happened.
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 Posted 10/02/2021  09:37 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CoinHunter27 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thank for the in-depth explanation! Learned my lesson!

-CH27
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Edited by CoinHunter27
10/02/2021 09:38 am
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