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Counterfeit Morgan Dollar 1888 With A D Mint Mark?

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 Posted 10/07/2021  12:35 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add The Detectorist to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
I am a metal Detectorist with interests in relics and coins. So far my oldest coin found is a 1908 Indian Head penny but recently found what I believe is a counterfeit Morgan dollar 1888 with a D mint mark. I live in Upton Kentucky. I know that the Denver mint wasn't even operating at that time and the Delonegha Georgia Mint was out of business by that time so that is why I believe it to be counterfeit. It also reads almost 3 grams low in weight. However I would like to know how I can find out if it has silver content or not...
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 Posted 10/07/2021  2:15 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jbuck to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
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 Posted 10/07/2021  2:32 pm  Show Profile   Check Collects82's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Collects82 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Could you post a pic of your find? Maybe it was an O for New Orleans that got dinged and morphed into a D looking something?
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 Posted 10/07/2021  2:34 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add John1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
. Please post good photos of the front and back.
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 Posted 10/07/2021  3:47 pm  Show Profile   Check jacrispies's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add jacrispies to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

We need photos to give an accurate opinion.
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 Posted 10/07/2021  5:06 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply




to the CCF!
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 Posted 10/08/2021  06:36 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add The Detectorist to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

Sorry I posted incorrectly I guess I was focused to much on the Morgan dollar than introducing myself.
I will try to post pictures this evening when I get off work. Any suggestions on posting the pictures? This is my first forum so I have never done it before...which is probably pretty obvious...lol. I do have a coin microscope connected to my computer so I can get detailed photos of certain parts of the coin but it won't back up far enough to get a full picture.
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 Posted 10/09/2021  11:08 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add The Detectorist to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

Here are the pictures I promised hope they turn out ok its my first time doing this.



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 Posted 10/10/2021  08:40 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add The Detectorist to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
So now I ask again my very first question...How do I find out if there is any silver content in this coin?
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 Posted 10/10/2021  09:13 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add BStrauss3 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
OK, so 100% guarantee it is fake. Denver mint didn't exist, Dahlonega only struck gold coins.

Call around and find a local jeweler or we-buy-gold place (shudder) with an XRF gun. They will be able to check the surface and determine its composition. (Basically, the XRF shoot x-rays and reads the tradition scattered back to determine the elements and their relative composition).

Of course, they will probably charge you a nominal amount - have to ask if it's worth it to you...

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 Posted 10/10/2021  09:27 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add The Detectorist to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Okay Thanks BStrauss3 I am new at all of this coin stuff, but I find a lot of coins while detecting so I wanted to join something like the CC forum to get expert advice for any questions I have. I did not know they had such a device as an XRF gun, but live and learn...appreciate the response and have a great day!
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 Posted 10/10/2021  09:37 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add The Detectorist to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Another question I got is how do the counterfeiters make a counterfeit coin? (I hope I am not breaking any forum rules asking another question here) Do they actually go through the trouble of making a complete die etc or do they just try to alter other coins? Should I consider turning this coin over to someone to help in any kind of investigation or would they just look at me and laugh?
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 Posted 10/10/2021  09:50 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Tunnioc to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The reverse is probably copied from a 1921 D Morgan.
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 Posted 10/10/2021  12:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add NDBirdman to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'd love to buy it from you, if interested PM me a price. It would look great sitting in my album next to my 1888 CC!
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 Posted 10/10/2021  1:01 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add fortcollins to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yep, Chinese counterfeit. They have used the same fake Denver reverse for several different dates of their counterfeits (I've seen 1896, 1900, and 1903 so far). This is the first time I've seen it matched with an 1888-dated obverse. (The date and legends are wrong on the obverse, as well.) If you look at the edge, the reeding will be coarse, irregular, rim-to-rim, and completely wrong for a Morgan.

The composition very likely is heavy in Cu, Pb, Sn, and Zn, with just a trace of Ag from the plating. It may be fairly close to the correct weight, but if so the thickness will be off. It likely will not pass an Eddy Current Slide test, and definitely would not pass a specific gravity test. Other than silver plating, I doubt that it has any silver content.
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