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1952-D Please Let Me Know What You Think. (Cent)

 
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 Posted 11/26/2021  08:36 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add grospoisson to your friends list Get a Link to this Message



Are these pictures getting any better. These are the types of coins I want to submit. Tell me what you think.

If the coin were flawless then it would grade 68 or 69 wouldn't you agree?
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 Posted 11/26/2021  08:57 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Sharper images needed, thanks.
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[/Sharper images needed, thanks.]

Help me here. What are you looking for that I am missing. I am frustrated at myself because it seems I have hit a road block in the picture area. I took the picture on my phone I did not edit it . The picture seems to get a little blurry from my phone to the computer. I realize one can make a picture look much better than it really is. How many posts does it take to be able to contact a member thru email? I am willing to send coin directly that's how much you guys opinion mean to me. The mark on the coat at the base is the only mark on the coin and it takes a 5pwr loupe to see it. My phone camera was magnified to 5pwr. All I can say is there are no visible hairlines in any light conditions and same with my loupe. No matter how sharp the image would be, I don't think hairlines would be visible in a two dimensional picture. Am I correct in that assumption?
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 Posted 11/26/2021  10:34 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ijn1944 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Those of us looking at the coin on this thread are limited by what's shown in the photos posted. The photos are just a bit soft--not crisp. This can be a function of a low(er) resolution photo 'blown up' to be larger (which can soften details). I could go on and on as other digital photography factors come into play, and there's the 300MB image size restriction as well. I'll leave all that alone. What I'm getting at is you have the coin in-hand and can view it under any lighting source, can tilt and turn it, change magnification instantly, etc. You see the coin directly, we cannot--we're at a disadvantage.

With all that, the coin likely falls in the MS63-66 range. Just my opinion looking at what's posted.
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 Posted 11/26/2021  10:43 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add panzaldi to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
when you get above MS65 it makes it difficult to separate MS66, 67 or 68 without very good photos. the photos are a little blurry. maybe a little too close to coin or if your camera was not secure even the slightest movement would cause enough blur to reduce that sharpness thats needed. also your lighting is a little too much. try taking it in natural indirect light. based on the shadows it looks like there is overhead lighting. that doesn't help.

without better photos I would say either MS66, 67 RD. the reverse probably would hold it from a 68
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 Posted 11/26/2021  10:45 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add keith12 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Photos are just a bit out of focus. But your close
I say MS-63
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Your photos are getting better but I agree a little soft .
From what I can see your coin is at least MS-65 , sharpen it up and you can very well have a 66-67 . Keep trying different things with your camera and lighting .
I still don't condone sending in your common date Lincolns
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The problem is that the surface details don't show clearly enough to assign a high-probability grade. Even in these pics the reverse seems to show a number of marks, including something large in front of the E in CENT. If I had to take an educated guess here, I'd say MS-63RD, but that carries a low confidence factor.
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[/Your photos are getting better but I agree a little soft .
From what I can see your coin is at least MS-65 , sharpen it up and you can very well have a 66-67 . Keep trying different things with your camera and lighting .
I still don't condone sending in your common date Lincolns
until you are truly confident with your grading skills .
BTW , you can private message ( PM ) any member who excepts
e-mails , but first you must allow to accept e-mails on your profile . ]


Each of you guys who have responded , I hold in high regard, TBOP you could have said why don't you read the tutorials and rules but you chose (much respect) to take the high road, my profession requires teaching young adults to read instructions carefully and follow directions. I should practice what I preach! Having viewed 2 dozen MS-66's this morning, I tried to find issues that resulted in a 66 grade. Some of the coins looked like ones I think should be a grade higher and others I could easily find the reason. TBOP, the forum says you are a Lincoln enthusiast so I always hope you comment and post. First I look for marks and other obvious problems. Second I look for very small contact marks in primary areas and a strong strike (all lettering and details in wheat lines or memorial building. Third I use a single light source in a dark area (100 watt bulb) and check for hairlines. Next I check the edges for good metal flow. I do all these things if the coin has good eye appeal.. Last I take a picture and put under digital microscope to see marks I may have missed . My phone will pick up marks I may not see as I scan the coin then I go back and see what I think is a bag or contact mark and verify under a 5X carson loupe. I count the smallest mark or hairline and start subtracting points. To all of you ,what am I missing? I read several times a grader looks at a coin for at most 30 seconds. I know they are good but I wonder how thorough can they be? By the way it is easy to spot MS-65 coins. The jump to 67 is so much harder. From ms66 to ms67 is a crap shoot I believe. By putting minimum acceptable grade as ms-67, in my opinion makes the grader at least look at coin for 45 seconds. I know these are common date Lincolns but the price jump is significant. All you guys told me it's not wise to submit coins under a 150 dollar value. At ms67 most are double and triple that. Submitting so far at PCGS I am at 38%, but submitting a common date I am at 100%, but sample size is very low. I had a theory that if you put ms-66 as lowest acceptable grade and the coin is excellent then that's what you will get especially for dates after 1950. I don't know if the graders have access to that info. A grade of MS-66 is no big deal to these guys, the value is insignificant. I am sure I will eat crow in the next few days.
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As already stated, the pictures are soft. I cannot see any cartwheel spokes which makes the luster hard to judge.

Don't over analyze a coin. The jump from 66 to higher is all about eye appeal and luster. I've seen a lot of contact marks, spots and stains ignored by the TPGs when a coin just "looks good".

I think this coin is at least 66RD based on the pictures.
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May I clarify, is this a coin you have submitted? Or is this just endless speculation?
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Each of you guys who have responded , I hold in high regard, TBOP you could have said why don't you read the tutorials and rules but you chose (much respect) to take the high road, my profession requires teaching young adults to read instructions carefully and follow directions. I should practice what I preach! Having viewed 2 dozen MS-66's this morning, I tried to find issues that resulted in a 66 grade. Some of the coins looked like ones I think should be a grade higher and others I could easily find the reason. TBOP, the forum says you are a Lincoln enthusiast so I always hope you comment and post.

As I thank you for your kind words I must reply that enthusiast I am but not a specialist by any means . There are many members that have studied the Lincoln Cent to infinity .

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 Posted 11/27/2021  03:58 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Mike1487 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Don't zoom in your phone to 5x power. You will always get blurry images. Zoom in somewhere between 1x and 2x and then just crop the picture when uploading. Also there are shadows/dark areas in these images. Need more light, but not so much as to wash out the surfaces.
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I take all my photos with my phone through a bousche and lomb 8x hastings loupe. I just gold my loupe over the camera lense and have had very good results.
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[/Your photos are getting better but I agree a little soft .
From what I can see your coin is at least MS-65 , sharpen it up and you can very well have a 66-67 . Keep trying different things with your camera and lighting .
I still don't condone sending in your common date Lincolns
until you are truly confident with your grading skills .
BTW , you can private message ( PM ) any member who excepts
e-mails , but first you must allow to accept e-mails on your profile . ]

Would sure love for the experienced members to take a look with coin in hand. I will try to send and receive a personal email. I really thought I had indicated that in my personal profile. There is still a lot to learn on the forum ( and a lot of it indirectly relates to coins,if you know what I mean)!
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