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 Posted 01/17/2022  3:25 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Silvercc to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Hello, I am a new member of this forum. I would like to show you a note. Let me first make a disclaimer. I am NOT saying this note is real or genuine. I am saying that this note exists. I have had it in my hands.
I am showing this note to the forum for you to comment.

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 Posted 01/17/2022  3:46 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SteveInTampa to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Welcome to CCF @Silvercc.
Your note is a fantasy note modeled after a 1923 $1 Silver Certificate. If I found one, or someone gave me one, I'd keep it as a conversation starter. I wouldn't however go out looking to purchase an example.


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 Posted 01/17/2022  4:38 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jbuck to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
to the Community!

Your reply was split into its own topic for the proper attention.
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 Posted 01/18/2022  09:24 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add captaincoffee to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Usually, these fantasy notes have a modern portrait (like Obama or Trump), the Statue of Liberty, or a fictional character (like Mickey Mouse or Luke Skywalker). It is interesting to see one fashioned after the 1923 $1.
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 Posted 01/18/2022  1:09 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add macmercury to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Wonder what would a gold certificate value be?

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 Posted 01/18/2022  3:00 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add hokiefan_82 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Interesting - while I've seen many fantasy notes over the decades, I've not run across one like this before. Thanks for sharing.

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 Posted 01/18/2022  5:19 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sap to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I see three problems with the plausibility of such a note.

Firstly, of course, if America had ever actually issued a million dollar note, the last thing they'd do in designing it would have been to re-use the exact same portrait and overall design layout as on the $1 note.

Secondly, check out the serial number. I highly doubt that, if they had ever been made, there'd have been a print run of over 3 million of the things. The United States didn't have even 1 trillion dollars worth of silver dollars "deposited in the Treasury" at any given time, let along the 3.5 trillion needed to back this banknote series.

Finally, the whole point of "silver certificates" in 1923 was that you could conveniently exchange them on demand for physical silver coins. How, exactly, would you go about even attempting to exchange this? 1 million silver dollars would weigh 26.73 metric tonnes. Forget the armoured car, you'd have needed a couple of armoured railway wagons.
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 Posted 01/20/2022  06:28 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Silvercc to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks everyone for your reply.
Allow me to give some response.
@hokiefan_82: Indeed interesting. They must have gone through a lot of effort to produce these notes.
The year on it suggests these notes have been printed in 1923 or 1928.
Just imagine the technology at that time, no computers, no photoshopping, ....
They exist is series of 100 notes. See picture.
Each have a different number and I wonder why so many have been made, for nothing ?
@Sap: You make some valid points.
First, see my remark above however. If there has ever been issued such a note at that time, it might also make sense to reuse available designs and methods.
Second, the numbers seem and are mind-boggling. I do not know how many series have been printed, but I would assume a lot looking at the numbering of this note and the previously shown.
Third, looking from an opposite angle then you make my point. What if you had to pay 10 or 100 million dollar or more to a business, institution or (foreign) government ? Then some notes or series carrying it inside your pocket or briefcase would be very convenient for transport.

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 Posted 01/20/2022  07:07 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SteveInTampa to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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The year on it suggests these notes have been printed in 1923 or 1928.
Just imagine the technology at that time, no computers, no photoshopping.

I hope I'm reading this wrong and that you're not seriously suggesting that these were print 100 years ago. SMH
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 Posted 01/20/2022  08:45 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add hfjacinto to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The largest monetary value note ever produced by the BPE was $100,000 Gold Certificate for use in intra reserve banking it was never released to the public. Owning one would be technically illegal.

Why would the BPE ever issue a $1,000,000 note backed by gold,silver and jade? When gold was the standard in the US.

You also notice that it says Silver Certificate on the front. So the reverse makes no sense. Also if the last note is too be believed (which it shouldn't as its just fantasy), it says serial number A00032701 to a00037300, your serial number is X03568715B (not in the range)
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 Posted 01/20/2022  1:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add nick10 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I think this was the note paid to Dr. Evil when he demanded a $1 million ransom.
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 Posted 01/20/2022  3:53 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add hokiefan_82 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
To be clear, this is a fantasy note which was NOT produced by the United States government, but by a 3rd party. You can find countless examples of fantasy notes and reproductions of currency on eBay and other sellers. A few are actually of high quality may be collectible (for example, Tim Prusmack "Money Art" notes, some of which were actually certified by PMG and PCGS Currency) but the vast majority have minimal value and even then only as a curiosity or a novelty.
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 Posted 01/20/2022  4:57 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jbuck to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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...this is a fantasy note which was NOT produced by the United States government...
Unless...

...it was obtained from an alternate timeline where we suffered hyperinflation along with the Weimar Republic.
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...it was obtained from an alternate timeline where we suffered hyperinflation along with the Weimar Republic.


Better cut back on all that acetone it may be affecting your judgement.
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 Posted 01/20/2022  7:22 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sap to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Unless... it was obtained from an alternate timeline where we suffered hyperinflation along with the Weimar Republic.

No. One thing hyperinflationary notes all have in common: they never claim to be redeemable in anything other than themselves. A country suffering from hyperinflation cannot afford to go around giving away what remains of the national stockpile of precious metal to its citizens, so they don't print notes that make such promises (since making and then breaking promises is even worse for public confidence than not making the promises in the first place).

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What if you had to pay 10 or 100 million dollar or more to a business, institution or (foreign) government ? Then some notes or series carrying it inside your pocket or briefcase would be very convenient for transport.

Nobody except the banks had to pay anybody millions of dollars for anything, back in 1928. The super-high denomination notes that actually did exist - the gold $100,000 notes - were only used as inter-bank paperwork, because the banks only trusted themselves with owning them. And while carrying a million-dollar-note around might have been "convenient", actually using it and turning it back into cash at the other end - as the note allegedly promises to allow you to do - would have been awfully inconvenient.

And foreign governments in the 1920s weren't interested in worthless bits of paper (especially if the US was churning them out with no physical metal backing) in paying foreign debt. They wanted real, physical gold. The reason Germany suffered from hyperinflation in the 1920s was because the winners of World War I demanded annual payments of physical gold in war reparations, which Germany didn't physically have. If America had gone around printing million dollar notes to pay off debts to its friends and allies, the American dollar would have suffered from hyperinflation too.

Finally, that second note posted by the OP is just laughable. Jade? Nobody outside of ancient China cares about jade, it's worthless as a backing for currency. And look at the poor grammar and complete lack of centering of the text. If they had ever made a genuine $1,000,000, they'd have been a lot more careful with the design.

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The year on it suggests these notes have been printed in 1923 or 1928.

You do realise that, just because something has a date on it, doesn't mean it therefore must have been actually made in that date? I could design and print off a fantasy banknote from ancient Rome with the date "47 BC" on it, but that wouldn't mean a banknote like that actually existed in 47 BC. It would mean that I'm lying. And so was the person who made both of the OP's notes.
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