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Grading Thoughts On This 1844 One Cent

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 Posted 04/16/2022  12:04 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add fortcollins to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Well, rats, I was sure low on the grade here and wrong on the straight/details call. I'll eat that 0-2 pitch count.

That's still a great coin. Not all details coins are alike, and this one has far better eye appeal than most. This one probably comes in north of the "50% of straight grade" rule of thumb for value.
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 Posted 04/16/2022  12:33 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add panzaldi to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
any way you can get better photos after the slabbing if you had conservation done? i'd like to see the results
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 Posted 04/16/2022  1:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TobyJ to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Of course Panzaldi, I'll get some really good photos when I receive it back. Fortcollins, I've noticed a few times now that after coins go through conservation it can certainly make then look a higher grade. Looking forward to comparing new photos to the original ones I took.
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 Posted 04/16/2022  3:30 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ty2020b to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I swear I replied to this thread but apparently not. I have this one at VF35/XF40 Details, ED.

On what planet is that an AU coin?!!! I've always felt NGC and PCGS have been a bit generous at times with details designations, primarily in the AU-UNC Details realm. I think if they switched to a numerical system likes ANACS does, that might change and they may not be so generous. Rant over.

Am also curious what it looks like now post conservation.
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 Posted 04/16/2022  8:42 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Jaobler to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

Obvious wear as seen in the first photos should limit the grade to XF-40 at best, with VF-35 more likely.
The ED label looks accurate, at least.
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 Posted 04/17/2022  1:05 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add panzaldi to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'm interested to see the updated photos for 2 reasons. first to see how the conservation worked out and second how they gave it an AU grade. you first photos are pretty good and I cant see how this coin can get that high and I'm typically pretty lenient on the early coppers
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 Posted 04/17/2022  2:11 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TobyJ to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I won't receive it back for a week or two as I'm in the UK and it is in Florida but when I do we will get to the bottom of it. I'm thinking, could it be a weak strike and maybe the conservation revealed shiny lustre? What do you think? Otherwise they overgraded it.
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 Posted 04/17/2022  7:38 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ty2020b to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Given the consistency of the wear, extent of the wear, and where the wear is evident, I don't see that as a weak strike. I just don't see how they could have exposed any original luster on this one. Who knows, may eat my words when the new pics come!
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 Posted 05/18/2022  11:52 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TobyJ to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Just received the coin back from NGC today. Here are some photos I just took, let me know if they are okay or I can try a different angle or different lighting etc or more close-up anywhere. Do you think they overgraded with AU?



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 Posted 05/18/2022  7:01 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add fortcollins to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It conserved nicely! Much better eye appeal.

I still can't see AU here. I'll bump my original obverse VF-35 to EF-40. I still see the reverse as EF-40. IMHO, it's EF-40 net. I can see their ED Details assessment, but this coin looks better than a lot of Details coins.

Nice coin and a great variety.
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 Posted 05/18/2022  7:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Cannot see this as AU - wear in the hair detail is obvious.
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 Posted 05/18/2022  7:57 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ty2020b to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Still at VF35-XF40 Details for me. Nowhere near AU. For a "Details" coin, it's still a good looking piece.
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 Posted 05/18/2022  8:01 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Good-looking high VF details coin for sure.
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 Posted 05/19/2022  10:56 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add panzaldi to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply


cleaned up the best it could. I also dont agree with the AU grade but it is what it is
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 Posted 05/19/2022  1:07 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TobyJ to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for all the comments, personally I think its somewhere in between XF45 and AU, but it could be a weak strike also. However, silver coins are my domain.

I've listed it for sale, if anyone is interested please let me know.
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