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Circulation Strike Verses Mint Strikes?

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When building a collection of Roosevelt dimes in my dansco album, I have only been placing P and D dimes taken from a sealed mint set in cello, are these the same coins that have been placed into circulation?
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are these the same coins that have been placed into circulation?


Pretty much the same quality until you hit the 2005-2010 uncirculated sets that had a matte finish different from the circulation strikes.
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Mint set coins are created on the older vertical presses. These operate at a lower speed and higher pressure than the newer presses used for circulation strikes. The finished coins are also given more care between minting and packaging.

The best circulation strike coins should be indistinguishable from those found in the mint sets. Once they are freed from packaging most would not be able to tell you if they came from a set or the bank. So, there is no reason to treat them differently when putting them into your album.

This difference from circulation issued coins has existed for quit a while now. I am not sure how long, possibly back into the 1980s or 1970s (I am still trying to find a reference topic), but certainly before the time they tried the satin finish experiment from 2005 to 2010. Cladking or Conder101 would be able to fill in the gaps or correct any mistakes I may have made here.
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Cladboy, jbuck. It just so happens I'm looking through 2007 and 2008 unc sets, I didn't know about the satin finish. They are a lot nicer than older sets.
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Cujohn, same here. I learned about the satin coins only back in 2019. All coins of every denomination was struck in that satin finish. So I went and bought blank pages for the Dansco series albums and added all of them to the albums I already had filed out.
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Jbuck pretty much nailed it.

Techniques to make mint set coins vary a little year to year but so do those used for circulation issues. But where dies used to make coins for circulation are allowed to be worn to a nub those used to make mint set coins are retired after ~40,000 strikes. Not only are strikes better in mint sets but they are made by new dies so more detail is usually visible.

The SMS coins from 1965 began this divergence in techniques for making sets. After the last SMS in '67 they continued using the same general techniques and presses to make mint set coins but without polishing the dies or planchets (usually).

The changes from year to year make this a very complex question but boiled down, new dies, lower speeds, higher pressure, and better handling simply makes finding Gems in mint sets like shooting fish in a barrel. Every year millions of Gems are made for circulation but finding them mixed in with billions of typical or substandard coins is very difficult. Finding them in mint sets is a breeze since about two mint sets out of three will have at least one Gem in it.

I believe earlier sets were just regular circulation strikes taken from the lines but they selected from the best runs. They set up a regular press with new dies and used the coins for mint sets. I have far less experience with these older mint sets (pre-'65) and there is even less information available about them! The mint has always been very very tight lipped about mint sets so they are virtually "secret coins". Until 1996 the mint actually maintained that there were absolutely no differences between mint sets and circulation issues but anyone who studied these sets could easily see the differences.

Now days there are almost no BU rolls or singles of the older clads anyway so it's a moot point. Now it's very hard to tell just how bad the coins made for circulation really were because they're all heavily worn. You look at one of these and think the detail is worn away when in actuality it was never there at all.
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