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@plan, with this amount of circulation wear, I think that it is going to be difficult to distinguish between normal wear patterns and an advanced die state during the striking nearly 100 years ago. With that said, it is very common for the rim and tops of the letters to merge as the coin gets very worn.
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Spence said it good, if I were to posit grades on these, a net G-6 for the 24-D, and as high as a F-15 for the 27-D. 
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 ...very difficult to tell the condition of the dies at minting due to the circulation wear...nice coins. KK
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 But with the 24-D it is in my opinion that the coin is mostly LDS with decent wear . 
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The rims are doing their job, but about to loose the battle on these two coins. As mentioned, circulation wear is taking its toll on these coins. Cent weren't strongly collected till about 1934. Then the rolls were started to be saved. (Even cent rolls were an expensive thing back in those days) most of the circulated coins like these are much thinner from the wear removing the metal from the rim of the coin. Thus when rolling these in a plastic holder, to roll them, you might have more the 51 cents in a roll as they were thinner from coin wear. (thus count these when putting them into a roll)
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What are you guys talking about too worn? I get it on the 24-D for sure, but the 27-D has completely clear wheat stalks except for one weak spot. I know seeing detail on the bottoms is hard in that pic but I can clearly see the tops are individually defined at the top, which would indicate a VF at least. That coupled with the state of the obverse is what brought me to my question. Do you think that maybe you guys just already "know" the answer sometimes before you let the actual question register?
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@plant, for sure you are allowed your own opinion, just as we are allowed ours. On the obv of the '27, Abe's ear is completely into his hair and the rims are almost worn into the letters. The rev is perhaps a little better preserved, with as you note most of the wheat stalks visible. But I didn't think you were talking about the reverse on that coin since there is nothing remarkable about it.
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So how do you know the "wear" on his face is wear? There's literally no flat spots on any of the other features on the obverse, in addition to the reverse being higher grade. I just don't see how that 1cm square gets worn and nothing else.
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PG396 To see evidence of a later die state on circulated Lincoln cents look to the design elements near the rim. The horizontals of the E of We will start to distort almost in a class VI fashion. The T's of Trust will grow horns and the bottom of the vest will ripple as it fades to the rim , to name a few markers. Also , we're these coi s struck with dies that had turned to mush , the lower, protected hair details at the forhead would not retain their relief. I see a slight bit of a few of the above die state indicators on your coin but not enough to cause the grade markers to disappear as a whole. To me your coins have just honest wear and the normal wear guidelines can be followed.
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Here is an example of a Buffalo nickel from the same era that will grade higher than its details show because of it being struck by exousted dies. I know the current owner so I don't think using watermarked ebay images can hurt. The high points of the design still have some semblance of the intended design though the transitions are much smoother. The horn on the reverse is totally gone though I bet had this been a fresh die it would have had a full horn to grade by. The design on the rim , especially on the reverse, is very much distorted. All in all , there are a lack of flat spots on this coin to tank the grade.  
Edited by stoneman227 08/14/2022 07:58 am
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Well, I'll 'put in my 2 cents' here. the first coin is clearly worn all the device high points are worn flat, right down to the level of the rims. (that is what the rims do - protect the design elements.) once the rims are gone so is the design. The second coin is in better shape though - The obverse is worn much more than the reverse, which leads me to think that it was in a Whitman folder and the obverse was rubbed down while the reverse was protected.
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Lincoln's face will get worn down quicker as it protrudes more from the field. The OP was: Quote: Plantguy396 Posted - Yesterday 01:01 am I'm still learning to differentiate mushy design elements. Are these coins the result of worn dies? Any help is appreciated! These coins are too old and have gone thru too much to definitely say that they were minted with deteriorated dies. In the big picture of coin collecting...it don't matter. If you want to learn about Die Deterioration...look at some uncirculated coins.  KK
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