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Help With Identifying Coins Authenticity And Value Please (Id: 8 Reales, 1811, Zacatecas Mint Mark)

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 Posted 11/15/2022  1:50 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add 10611800 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Help finding coin value if it's real and what kind of coin do I have thank you

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 Posted 11/15/2022  1:58 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add John1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
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 Posted 11/15/2022  2:06 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Hondo Boguss to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It appears to be a Provisional realist coin (8 reales, 1811, Zacatecas mint mark, first type L.V.O.)
https://www.banxico.org.mx/banknote...ml#collapse3
I cannot vouch for its authenticity. You can use the provided information to research its potential value.
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 Posted 11/15/2022  2:49 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add 10611800 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hello and thank you for the input
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 Posted 11/16/2022  8:51 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Spence to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@106, first welcome to CCF. Second, I have moved your thread over to the world coin subforum to see if we can get some of our experts to take a look at this. It may take them several days, so in the mean time, can you please add the weight and diameter of this coin to the thread? Thx.
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 Posted 11/17/2022  6:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jfransch to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Could you also please try and post much more detailed close up pictures? Your coin (if real) is an insurgent issue with the cross on the front mountain and Castles and Pomegranates on the shield side instead of the Castles and Lions on the Royalist issues. It is not an 8 reales, does not have the 8R designation between "Gratia" and the date. Could be a minor, there were 1/2 real, 1 real and 2 reales made as well as 8 reales. The 2 and the 8 have the numeric designation, the smaller ones are identified by weight so we need size and weight. Zacatecas LVO coins tend to be overweight and are of a very high silver content. The Insurgents (War of Independence) took Zacatecas in October 1810 and held the city through May 1811. They confiscated large amounts of silver from the local mines and city coffers. They needed it in coin form so they could pay the troops so they set up a rudimentary mint and made these coins. When Zacatecas was taken back by the Royalists in May 1811, the dies were altered and LVO coinage continued for a short time until new dies could be created that mimicked the current production coming out of Mexico City. Most early Zacatecas coinage is known to be crude, attesting to the problems getting a quality mint up and running in war time.
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 Posted 11/18/2022  11:48 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add thq to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Interesting piece which looks to me like a cast fantasy souvenir based on an 8R. From looking at Heritage Auctions, all these coins showed a denomination next to the date. The 2R and 8R's spell out ZACATECAS but not the smaller 1R. The hill is the wrong shape. The lettering is soft, unlike the struck coins.

Here's a 1R for comparison.

https://www.ngccoin.com/price-guide...duid-1417884
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I agree that the coin looks cast in the photos. We still need to know the size and weight.
I was unaware that the 1 real showed the denomination, the 1/2 real does not.

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I'm glad 10611800 displayed his coin. I learned something new, and if I ever have a chance to buy one I'll consider it. The minors are not very expensive, but they're also not that easy to find. Authenticity is crucial, and crude designs are easy to mimick.
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Zacatecas early coins from the War of Independence period are fascinating coins to collect. Some of the 8 reales are so poorly struck that you are lucky to be able to identify the coin at all and you really have to "adjust" your acceptable condition thresholds.
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Here is a 2R which is almost an exact match. The denomination is at the top. The 1181 date is also the same.

https://www.ngccoin.com/price-guide...duid-1417832

If genuine this is a $500+ coin IMO. I'm still skeptical though.
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 Posted 11/18/2022  6:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jfransch to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Could be legit. Really need some clearer more detailed photos.
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 Posted 11/18/2022  7:20 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add colonialjohn to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
If you look closer on top of the crown we see 2R so the 2R denomination is placed correctly. Although its been awhile since I bought a few 2R LVO's due to the recent INSANITY in this field of Latin American Coinage. See here: https://www.ngccoin.com/price-guide...duid-1417832

The weights are variable on these pieces but generally in the same ballpark and the pieces crude particularly for this earlier style. The piece pictured has the correct legends, the date is retrograde (reversed), the 2R is placed correctly (value above crown) and for all you bibliophiles out there see Superior Stamp & Coin Co. Buddy De Silva Collection, 2/1978 L1643 - one of the finest known as a comparison example along with this link above. Does it contain trace Au? Hope so ... <VVBG>. JPL
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SORRY FORGOT TO ADD it WEIGHS A LITTLE OVER 7grams




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