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St. Helena & Assention "Produce More Food" Odd Coin

 
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 Posted 11/23/2022  10:31 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add 09rich15 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Would anyone have info on its origin and composition. Queen Elizabeth II wasn't around in 1908. So, I assume that its probably a 50th Anniversary piece. And why the goofy rendition of her Majesty?

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 Posted 11/23/2022  11:13 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Spence to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@09r, this coin looks so "goofy" because it is a very poor fake rather than an actual coin. Can you please add to the thread whether a magnet is attracted to this piece plus the weight? Thx.
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 Posted 11/23/2022  12:51 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Albert to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It probably came from the same place as this one.
No magnetic attraction.
Uncertain composistion.
Specific gravity may be about 8.41 which could indicate a copper / zinc alloy. Maybe some makeup of copper / nickel / zinc just as a guess.
As a side note, the "produce more food" coins, are the FAO series.

I just realized I had already posted a picture and didn't think to use the tools to see my previous uploaded images.

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 Posted 11/23/2022  1:06 pm  Show Profile   Check Pacificoin's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Pacificoin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Chinese counterfeit !
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 Posted 11/23/2022  3:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Spence to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I've got one alsoI think I paid a buck for mine.

At least the counterfeiters spelled the denomination correctly on their example.





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 Posted 11/23/2022  4:15 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add 09rich15 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks Spence --- The coin is non-magnetic and if it is a fake, A fake what? Can it be just a weird fantasy coin?
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 Posted 11/23/2022  5:11 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sap to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It is a "Chinese fantasy". The reverse "cow" design comes from a Uganda 5 shilling FAO coin from 1968. Numista link: https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces10037.html

The multiple "errors" on these coins - spelling errors, date errors, denomination errors, and of course the "muling" of coins from two different countries and time periods, is usually deliberately done in the hopes that somebody buys this piece as some kind of strange "error coin".
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 Posted 11/23/2022  5:19 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Spence to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yes exactly what @sap said. Perhaps it is unfair to categorically name these as coming from China, but mine were bought in Chinatown (Boston), so for sure they have a hand in some of them.
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 Posted 11/23/2022  6:34 pm  Show Profile   Check NumisRob's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add NumisRob to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I saw quite a few similar coins in a tourist shop when I was on a tour of China back in 2001.
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 Posted 11/23/2022  7:48 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sap to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
China is the source these days of the vast majority of "fantasy coins" like this. There's a long tradition in China of making such fantasy coins, for sale to tourists - they've been doing it since pre-Communist times. In most countries, including Australia, the manufacture of fake foreign coins is illegal, or at least controlled in some fashion (like the American requirement to add the word "COPY" to fakes). In Communist China, it's illegal to make fake Communist-era coins, but anything else - foreign coins, or Chinese from the Empire and Republic periods - is fair game, perfectly legal to make and sell.

The only other source of fantasy crown-sized coins that comes close to the scale seen by the Chinese fake factories is Vietnam, and Vietnamese fakes tend to be only of coins that saw circulation or presence in Vietnam - French Indochina piastres, American dollars, that sort of thing. No-one outside of China seems to be currently making these crazy "error-prone" fantasies.
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 Posted 11/23/2022  10:08 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Albert to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Mine was from 2003.
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