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2007 Penny Grading Guidance

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 Posted 01/25/2023  3:39 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add 3wheels to your friends list Get a Link to this Message

I have a beautiful 2007 penny in excellent condition/color and am wondering if I should get it graded. Great definition, including seeing an upturn shape to his upper lip which seems unusual. Under microscope there are a few minor bubble style markings, but cannot see those without microscope. Interesting part to the markings is that one is in front of the lips and one by the profile of his other eye. Almost looks like he's spitting or blowing a bubble.

Anyway, I'm wondering if it's worth grading and could use some advice. See images.

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 Posted 01/25/2023  5:10 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add halfamind to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Would need to be MS68 to justify the cost of grading, and this coin has some blemishes and dings that will keep it below that threshold. Hold onto this one until a better one comes along.
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 Posted 01/25/2023  5:34 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Straight-on, full size pics of both sides are best for grading.
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 Posted 01/25/2023  6:16 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Earle42 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thinking of Slabbing? Make sure you understand the Facts...or You Could Lose Money.

The Insider's Guide to Using Grading Companies

Popular mistaken mindset:
1. The grading companies are not a method/way that the majority of people, even those with a great deal of experience who know what they are doing, are going to be able to use in order to make huge personal profits. Many people start using grading companies thinking they will find a way to finance their hobby, but they learn a hard lesson quickly.

In general, the coin you have found in circulation is NOT going to make huge profits if slabbed. Way too many people pad the pockets of the companies and get nothing in return b/c they THINK (youtube videos!) they have something rare.

Professional predicting not possible:
2. Watch videos where experienced dealers get slabbed coins back from the grading companies. Note even people who live, eat, breath, and deal coins for a living can accurately predict what grade the companies will give. And...the "fault" (not really a fault) is in a widespread mistaken perception people get from being exposed to all the slabs being sold nowadays:

a. Coin grading companies are a business out to make a profit - this is why they exist. They use a system where allegedly three, but in reality it's normally two (read the guarantee carefully), graders look at each coin and give an opinion. The company videos showing the process make you believe this is a relaxed and paced process of studying each coin. In fact one PCGS video shows a number of guys sitting around a table discussing what they think a specific coin should be graded as (on youtube somewhere - sorry no link). Uh uh.

b. If you take a PCGS graded coin slabbed as MS64, break it out, and resubmit it to PCGS, you are never guaranteed the same grade again. The slabbed coin might come back MS62 (extreme and a bad day for graders), 63, 64, 65, 66 (extreme and a great day for you!). This is b/c the process is all subjective: No scientific/verifiable standards or methods are used. This subjectivity makes for greater company profits since people resubmit the same coin trying to get a higher (better price when selling) grade. In the 90s the companies, at great expense, created better (their own words) scientific methods not relying upon human opinion. No doubt the large profit from the re-slabbing game fell. The companies abandoned the science and went back to their less accurate systems.

c. It needs be mentioned that the fewer the "money grade" slabs a company assigns, the more prices of said slabs climbs. Thus more business is generated b/c more people pay to slab coins hoping to get that "money grade" slab. And the companies do keep records (accessible online) of how many of the higher graded slabs exist for each coin. While the idea of keeping money grade slabs minimized is speculative, there has been some convincing evidence of this being reality.

But..this is all hearsay without proof. So...

Grading the coin graders:
Here is another good read from someone there at the start of the grading companies:

Hobby negative impacts from slabbing companies

Error on errors:
3. People also seem to think grading companies will examine a coin to see if they can find an error and then slab it as such. But again, they ONLY GRADE coins. The companies will NOT try to find and ID an error for you. You must FIRST ID the error yourself, CHECK to see if the company you want to use recognizes that specific error, PAY them to verify the error on the label, and then you may or may not actually get what you pay for! The companies have a bad reputation for attributing errors incorrectly.

Link to and read (download if you want it) the pdf link in my signature as an eye opening example. Sadly, the verifiable data presented from the PCGS website shows trusting people have spent thousands of dollars on many slabbed coins that are not what the companies claims/slabbed the coins to be.

Cost concerns:
4. B/c people do not understand the businesses, so very many people end up with spending far more money to slab a coin than the coin is worth. The companies profit greatly with membership fees, submission fees, insurance fees, priority shipping fees and extra (chosen) fees. When you do the math for all of these fees you are approaching $150-200.00 for a slabbed coin the very first time you submit. ANACs does not have all these fees though.

You don't have to throw in the towel over these companies...but education about the reality of them will put you on the right pathway to dealing with them in a legit way without losing money in the process.
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 Posted 01/26/2023  11:31 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add IndianGoldEagle to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Not high grade, MS-64RD.
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 Posted 01/26/2023  1:01 pm  Show Profile   Check BadThad's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add BadThad to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Appears to have very light circulation to me.

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