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Pillar of the Community
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Alright, I'm way out of my element, my main coin roll searching are Lincolns, so new to this. At first, I thought EPU looked thick but looked at PCGS pics and thought it may be normal. I then noticed something to the northwest of E PLU, looks like doubling of some sort, pointed out in my pics. I also added the rest of EPU, because it looks like md, which I've seen on much that is posted here. Sorry for the bad full coin shots, I think the background color was wrong. Let me know what you think about what's going on with E PLU. No listings, by the way.      -makecents-
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01/27/2023 3:54 pm
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Bedrock of the Community
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I think those letters are incuse, so the doubled die rule is backwards. That make this coin MD. John1  ( I'm no pro, it's just my humble opinion )
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Bedrock of the Community
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Looks like doubling, but, alas, John is correct - incuse devices display MD differently.
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Pillar of the Community
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Thanks, John and Dear. All I could see were raised letters. They still look raised to me but know you are right. I forgot these were recessed. Outside my comfort zone.  -makecents-
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I have zero experience with incuse lettering, but that doesn't look like MD to me. The separation seems too strong and while hard to describe MD tends to blur from the corner of a device to the corner of the secondary device which I don't see here. But I have no explanation for how the lettering got where it is so not real helpful. Thank you for the arrows though, as the thickness toward the rim easily distracts the eye from what you are asking about.
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Bedrock of the Community
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I learned MD on incuse lettering from coop,so we need coop to splane it to us again. John1 ( I'm no pro, it's just my humble opinion )
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Thanks for checking it out, tropicalbats. Yeah, this is not in my wheelhouse but it got my attention. I guess we'll see if coop or others will weigh in, because I'm clueless. -makecents-
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John, I know the doubling should typically be to the center on these and I agree that the thickness is probably due to MD, that makes sense to me, especially after you pointed out the letters were incuse, I forgot that. The areas that are pointed out though, is something other than MD and not sure if it's related to hub doubling either. I guess we'll see what others, such as coop, may think. I'd like to see if Tanman would weigh in, be curious to his thoughts on this.
-makecents-
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Bedrock of the Community
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Also the Doubled dies on the single squeeze die coins are on the centers of the design, not on the outer areas of the designs. So there will never be a DDR on these devices as they are too far from the center. On incuse devices closer to the center of the design, the incuse devices will be reduced in size on a doubled die, and enlarged on a doubled die: EPU on Shield cents:  Raised and incuse devices have opposite rules. (Note the images) |
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Quote:Also the Doubled dies on the single squeeze die coins are on the centers of the design, not on the outer areas of the designs. So there will never be a DDR on these devices as they are too far from the center. Interesting and I've read that in other sources, but I'm not convinced it's 100% accurate. The LSC coins have lots of DDO's on the dates which are not technically in the center of the design, and quite a few on Liberty, which is also not in the center. There are a few DDR's involving the designer initials, which also aren't in the center, and VV also lists a DDR for 2022 -D LSC with doubling on USA. Doubling on IGWT is still showing up on Washington quarters as well. Anyone got a theory for the apparent inconsistency in the prevalence of doubling location?
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Interesting and I've read that in other sources, but I'm not convinced it's 100% accurate. I agree. I do think it is more common in the central area but as you said, there are many doubled dies that fall outside those parameters.
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Pillar of the Community
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I just added another closeup of just the E, at the beginning, that may be a little easier to see what I am referring to.
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Pillar of the Community
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So coop, do you think what I have the arrows pointing at are part of the MD?
-makecents-
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That's a nice one  John1 ( I'm no pro, it's just my humble opinion )
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Pillar of the Community
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Thanks, John! I just thought it was odd that HGK3 brought that up and then, BAM!
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Posted 01/27/2023 07:30 am
My American Silver Eagle Proof Collection - 1986 to Present 
