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1987 -D- Dime On The Obverse Is In God We Trust Doubled

 
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 Posted 02/05/2023  12:22 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add prisbrey1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
hey on this 1987 -D- dime on the obverse is in god we trust doubled and on the reverse is the left stem is it doubled or why does it looik that way



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 Posted 02/05/2023  12:34 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add -makecents- to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Very light MD. Quit posting for just a minute and study, prisbrey1.
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 Posted 02/05/2023  04:18 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add prisbrey1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
so its an md
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 Posted 02/05/2023  04:18 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add prisbrey1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
what about the stem on the reverse
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 Posted 02/05/2023  05:21 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add merclover to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Slight Machine Doubling but mostly just circulation flattening on the obverse. A good closeup of the stem is needed to see what you are seeing. I agree, slow down. Not every coin is an error coin. Errors are rare. Keep searching, but also read past posts here on CCF to learn what true errors look like.
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 Posted 02/05/2023  11:24 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add prisbrey1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
let me know if this helps
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 Posted 02/05/2023  5:04 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add JimmyD to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The stem is also MD
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 Posted 02/06/2023  12:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
When the die moves post strike, the die itself slides/moves and alters the freshly struck coin.


Sometimes it bounces and affects the devices higher up, sometimes even on the tops of devices, only affecting those higher areas.

This is never a doubled die. A double die coin is formed by hub doubling on the die creation process. Machine Doubling is a striking issue. You can have Machine Doubling on a doubled die or a normal die.


But a doubled die coin is only struck by a hub doubled die. (A doubled die is a die issue, not a striking issue)
Do you know where to look at on the devices to tell the difference? Machine Doubling affects the outer edges of one side of the devices.

A bumps/pushes and removes the normal contour of the devices. The affected area will look flat. Or raised where the metal was pushed aside.
https://imgs.inkfrog.com/pix/coop49...GHER_AAB.jpg
Often shiny on new coin, as light reflects stronger on flat devices. But they are not doubled dies, just altered strike coins from the dies movement post strike.

On a doubled die, the devices will be larger/taller on the center edges of the devices.

The closed devices will actually have smaller openings because of enlarged devices:

Notice these two images. The top one is a normal die coin. The lower one is a doubled die. What creates a doubled die. During die creation, the movement/location of the hub enlarges the devices on the die.


Thus the coins struck by that die will show the hub enlargement on the coins.

Thus the devices will be wider in the center areas of the devices.


And the closed devices will show a smaller area. (note on the coin on the 'Q' 'D' 'O', the centers are smaller)


So now that we know what to look for. What not to look for:
1. Don't look at the outside edges of the devices for a doubled die. On that area you will find Machine Doubling and extreme die wear. So look at the centers of the devices, not on the outside edges of the devices.
2. If you see a 90 degree angle on the outside edge, that is Machine Doubling.

3. If you see a distorted outer edge of the devices that is die wear.

Die wear is always on the devices that are closer to the edge of the rim area on a coin.


So if you don't see enlarged devices on a coin on the centers, move on to the next coin.

To continue to look for something there, guess what you will find. Machine Doubling and die wear. Why waste time on Machine Doubling and die wear looking devices. It is there, or it isn't. If you don't see it, move on. If you question it, set it aside and move on to the next coin. The time over spent on a coin, maybe holding you back from finding a worth coin. Hope this helps.

Another way to learn what to look for is to check out the sites and figure out why they are listed as doubled dies.
For cents only on this site:
Coppercoins.com
https://www.coppercoins.com/
For all denominations check out these sites:
Variety Vista:
http://www.varietyvista.com/index.htm
Doubled dies: John Wexler's site.
http://www.doubleddie.com/1801.html
By studying this, is training your eyes as to what to look for on a doubled die. Soon you will figure this out and soon be finding the real keepers and avoiding the speed bumps.

CoopHome: How can you tell Machine Doubling from a doubled die? know which is which will save you a lot of time. or you can continue not finding doubled dies? your choice.
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Some have asked about my images I use and I'm glad to say, you can now you can see the DVD in sections on youtube:
1. Intro, older coins, toned coins 2. Doubled dies 3. Die events, One of a kind errors 4. So called errors, Coin information 5. Coin information Types and Varieties, Overlays
Jefferson nickel doubled dies Wexler/Rebar complete listings

trail dies:http://www.traildies.com/
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 Posted 02/07/2023  04:06 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add prisbrey1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
im really trying coop and I appreciate all your help I really do
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 Posted 02/08/2023  1:20 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add prisbrey1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
what is a Q.D.O coop
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 Posted 02/08/2023  6:21 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add silviosi to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Coop what are all the DD's classes? you show only class 1 (one) Basic is say 8 me I say 9 and the bottom of the line 12 with the combinations as per Stanton and others. Think is I do not have example as COOP show.

Please COOP maybe one day you can made the montage of those. Thanks.
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 Posted 02/10/2023  12:04 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add prisbrey1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
If it wasn't for Coupe I'll be struggling a lot worse than I am now my struggle is I cant tell what is a doubled die and what isn't I mean pictures or pictures and not the real thing so that's why I share with you guys asking if I got one or not so I can know what to look for and 40 whatever it is a bunch of them to me in real life they look so like some of the double dies do so I'm having a struggle which is shelf and what isn't because I Feel Again a lot of them talk to me not that shelf like appearance was machine bubbling or something but some of you can't tell the difference I'm really trying
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