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1857-S $3 Gold Princess

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 Posted 04/01/2023  12:07 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Prethen to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
This is quite a scarce piece in all grades (although very rare in MS).


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 Posted 04/01/2023  12:09 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add nfine to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Always nice seeing $3 gold, thanks for sharing.
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 Posted 04/01/2023  1:19 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add panzaldi to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
we've been seeing a lot of oddball coins lately to grade and this is another one that most folks dont see often. any $3 piece is awsome to see as well as stellas.

i think the reverse holds it VF35. i'll be interested in seeing how close I am on this one.
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 Posted 04/01/2023  1:40 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'll say VF-30, but I have little experience with these.
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 Posted 04/01/2023  4:11 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add wallyb to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'd say VF20, details. (cleaning)
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 Posted 04/01/2023  5:56 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Prethen to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
This is not a Details coin. There's no hint of any kind of cleaning.
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 Posted 04/01/2023  6:33 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CoinEnthusiast to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'll say VF-30.
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 Posted 04/01/2023  11:33 pm  Show Profile   Check jacrispies's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add jacrispies to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I am between VF-30 and 35.
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 Posted 04/02/2023  2:19 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add wallyb to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
"This is not a Details coin. There's no hint of any kind of cleaning."

OK. Looks like an awful lot of hairlines particularly on the OBV, fields and devices.
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 Posted 04/02/2023  3:39 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add IndianGoldEagle to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Looks VF-25 to me.
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 Posted 04/02/2023  3:58 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Jaobler to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
There are quite a few hairline scratches, some parallel, most random-looking. I've certainly seen coins with comparable scratches flagged as cleaned by TPGs. This one has nice color and good overall eye appeal and apparently got a no-problem grade from NGC.
Looks to be worn below XF; VF-35 seems about right, unless NGC net-graded it lower due to the hairlines.

Nice scarce coin, regardless.
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As far as "hairlines" go, I have several $3 pieces and looked at many, it is extremely common to see these type of lines on pieces. It is quite evident on lightly circulated pieces and still not seen as cleaning by the services.

Cleaning has a somewhat different look with moderate to severe hairlines going in parallel lines (sometimes in both directions) and many times going over the devices.

Pieces like this (and I would assume $1 gold) are very susceptible to these types of marks due to their open fields (i.e. the devices don't do a great job of protecting them) and the softness of the gold. In fact, you'll see even in many AU58 pieces that their luster is largely wiped out except for the rim or protected areas due to this.

What's amazing about this particular piece is the degree of circulation it has seen and it is not heavily marked and the "hairlining" you see is actually pretty minimal.
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I want to hold off a few more days before revealing the slab. I think many will be surprised. There are a lot of reasons why I bought this coin...and this is one of them.
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 Posted 04/03/2023  10:18 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add panzaldi to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
looking at the buttons on the upper part of the headdress and LIBERTY as well as based on your comment, I'm changing my grade from VF35 to XF45. I'm going with this is a weakly struck example after a second look at it
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 Posted 04/03/2023  8:34 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Prethen to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Ready for this? Now you know why I picked up this coin and I'm not usually a huge fan a well-circulated pieces. I see this as VF although I can see how technically how it could get below that since the details on the reverse are fairly worn and there's not much hair detail on obverse with lots of wear showing above the eye. I want to send this to CAC.


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