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Scam Artists At Their Best

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 Posted 05/13/2023  4:06 pm Show Profile   Check gidjit's eBay Listings Bookmark this topic Add gidjit to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
i knew these guys were scammers but WOW just WOW is all I can say,,i decided to do a test on them today of course I played dumb
i made a pile of mostly common stuff and added a few good ones in, he spent maybe a minute looking and separated into 2 piles (the small pile with the silver is the one he wanted)
then he said I can give you $25 for this,,i said really? what about the 1858 its my oldest one. he said well they made millions of them and are only worth about 30 cents (funny how its in the pile he wanted though)
when I got home I put them back in the proper holders ,you can see what he wanted for the $25 including the silver



please check out my collection of large cents from 1858 - 1920 (click link below, you DO NOT need a facebook account to view)
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also you can see my collection of 1859 die pairs here
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 Posted 05/13/2023  4:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Hondo Boguss to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
gidjit, these snakes or a similar incarnation come to my town every six months or so. Maybe next time I'll go stand outside to talk to people before they go in.
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 Posted 05/13/2023  5:15 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add oriole to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@gidjit, I would have paid you at least $30!

Quite the low ball.

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 Posted 05/13/2023  5:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add westernsky to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Seems like they, or a similar operation, shows up down here in North Texas about every 4 to 6 weeks at some mid-grade hotel running essentially the same type of ad in the local Tuesday ad drops. The last event was the same weekend for the Grapevine Texas Coin Show and they were set up a just few blocks away from the show. They do prey on the uninformed.
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 Posted 05/13/2023  5:52 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add okiecoiner to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Gidgit and I are in the same town and one of these dirtbag companies shows up every 4-5 months and takes out full-page ads in the local papers. I pity the poor folks that take them up on their "I'll give you xxx...". They should be arrested.
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 Posted 05/13/2023  6:07 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add NumismaticsFTW to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
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 Posted 05/13/2023  8:18 pm  Show Profile   Check Pacificoin's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Pacificoin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
You are never going to win with these guys .
Best thing to do set up your own buy with ALL
EXPENSES involved and see what you can really
pay someone for their coins.
You would be surprised to see what it takes to make
a profit .
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 Posted 05/13/2023  8:40 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Cdncoins to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I did the same type of experiment with these guys last year. I went in and played dumb. They were paying 50% of bullion value for silver and offered a small fraction of trends for a few ICCS graded coins. I went in the morning and it was amazing how many items they had already bought from people.
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 Posted 05/14/2023  06:49 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Stogie to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
They show up somewhat regularly where I live too. I find it so funny that even in their flyer they give themselves away as scammers. One coin they always mention in their flyer they want to buy is the 1967 Canadian $20 gold coin (a coin that I have in my collection, which resides in a PCGS PF-66 holder). The price they will give you, according to their ad? A measly $100. Obviously based on melt value alone, one should be getting significantly more than this. I just have to wonder how many people fall victim to their ways.
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 Posted 05/14/2023  07:09 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add keith12 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I don't get it.
They offer you a price.
You take it or leave it.
Where's the scam

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One coin they always mention in their flyer they want to buy is the 1967 Canadian $20 gold coin. The price they will give you, according to their ad? A measly $100. Obviously based on melt value alone, one should be getting significantly more than this. I just have to wonder how many people fall victim to their ways.
I put that on uneducated people
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 Posted 05/14/2023  2:46 pm  Show Profile   Check nickelsguy's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add nickelsguy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The target is people who do not know. A scam is the politest word to use.......deceitful advertising at best....theft......comes to mind.
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 Posted 05/14/2023  4:52 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add purelywasted to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Shady business practices, I do believe they are ripping unsuspecting people off by claiming "we pay highest cash prices for..." and I would suspect they are coming close to violating or breaking laws around financial abuse if someone is elderly.

I don't care how expensive and hard it is for them to make money. Yes, people should be educated, but from the tactics described over the years by people in this forum is clearly unethical, especially if anyone they purchase from is elderly.
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 Posted 05/14/2023  6:36 pm  Show Profile   Check thedollarman's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add thedollarman to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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I don't get it.
They offer you a price.
You take it or leave it.
Where's the scam



They frame themselves to be experts and do everything in their power to look reputable..just to deceive potential sellers. They don't look like the scum that they are. They don't do our hobby/business any favors either with their shady and abusive behavior.

They aren't a coin shop taking advantage of a seller who walked in and asked for too little, they are traveling and soliciting potential sellers through the mail.

I once went to a local shop the same day that these people were in town, they set up next door to the coin shop...how convenient eh? When the coin shop put a sign or two outside to make sure people knew exactly which location was the ACTUAL coin store, these wandering scam artists started flooding the coin shop with fake bad reviews online.

Don't defend them..
feel free to call me Will. I'm a collector/dealer from the Greater Toronto area

my PMs are always open, whether you have a question or simply wish to talk!
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 Posted 05/14/2023  8:02 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Cointree to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I guess it makes sense that they apparently move around from place to place a lot, and their website doesn't work.
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 Posted 05/18/2023  12:25 am  Show Profile   Check Wade's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Wade to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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I don't get it.
They offer you a price.
You take it or leave it.
Where's the scam


Kinda feel the same way. They're running a business, if you don't like it - don't patronize it.

I wonder how many nay-sayers have ever sniped or cherry-picked a coin and made a little bank? Or does everyone do the right thing and alert the seller to their mistake?
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 Posted 05/18/2023  01:01 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sap to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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I wonder how many nay-sayers have ever sniped or cherry-picked a coin and made a little bank? Or does everyone do the right thing and alert the seller to their mistake?

There is a difference between cherry-picking something from a dealer, and lowballing newbies.

In both cases, the dealer is, supposedly, "the expert". For a dealer selling coins, the onus is on them to research their own product and ask reasonable prices. Too expensive, and people walk away and they don't make sales; too cheap, and re-sellers will be making profit at their expense.

But for a dealer coming in aggressively offering to buy like this, they are marketing themselves as the experts. There is a societal expectation that such self-proclaimed experts will not deliberately and premeditatedly lie in order to maximize their profits.

Or suppose you are a reknown expert in a certain field. You walk into a coin dealer who is not an expert in that field, and they ask you for some (free) advice on the coins they have in stock. In this case, you are the expert; it would be unethical for you to lie to the dealer and mis-identify rarities as common coins, just so that you can cherry-pick the gems out of his stock.
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