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@ego, first welcome to CCF. Second, that is an odd one. The inscription on the obverse seems to be common on Russian Chervonets. I wonder if this is an example of one. Hopefully @j1m, or one of our other Russian members can weigh in and either confirm my suspicion, or more likely, provide you with a more accurate description of this piece. Added: now that I see it is an Aluminum-Bronze alloy rather than Gold, I know it isn't a Chervonets. Not sure now what you've got.  "If you climb a good tree, you get a push."
-----Ghanaian proverb
"The danger we all now face is distinguishing between what is authentic and what is performed."
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It appears to be some kind of strange fantasy coin - not a regular USSR coin. "KOPECKS" is not the correct Russian spelling for the denomination (it's spelled "KOPEEK", with a Cyrillic "P", on genuine coins; Cyrillic/Russian does not have a letter shaped like "S"). The design is otherwise loosely based on very early USSR 5 kopek coins. The coat of arms is also "wrong" for 1970; the number of ribbon-windings is supposed to correlate to the number of member-states in the Soviet Union, and there are supposed to be 15 ribbon-windings in 1970, not six. A regular USSR 5 kopek coin from 1970 looks like this. "Fedorin", the reference quoted on the PCGS page for your coin, is a specialist Russian coin catalogue. Somebody with the book (and who can read Russian) might be able to tell you what "Fedorin-116" is classified as. Don't say "infinitely" when you mean "very"; otherwise, you'll have no word left when you want to talk about something really infinite. - C. S. Lewis
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I don't have the book but can read Russian and can use Google in Russian; Fedorin 116 is the reference for the normal 5 kopek 1970, which looks like this and very much unlike the "coin" in the OP. As it happens, 5 kopek 1970 is a key date - the rarest date of its thirty-year type. There's some evidence that it might be mint-set-only; the only other coins of this date in the PCGS reports are classified as PL, consistent with a mint set origin. As for the OP "coin", it has a Paris mintmark (complete with mintmaster symbol), so it's presumably from there; I found a Numista discussion in French, linking to earlier Russian discussions, but nothing definite. It seems to have been a fantasy medallic issue by the Paris mint; no idea for which possible purpose. Incidentally, according to the discussions (and not mentioned by PCGS), this item has a diameter of 29-30 mm and weighs 10 grams - a very different size from a normal 5 kopek. |
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Thanks a lot for information. Looks like its a kind of token.
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Whatever it is, it clearly isn't what the PCGS slab says it is. Don't say "infinitely" when you mean "very"; otherwise, you'll have no word left when you want to talk about something really infinite. - C. S. Lewis
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Exactly. Shame on PCGS?
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I personally sent this coin for grading.
Maybe I should ask them for an explanation?
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06/05/2023 10:23 pm
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Curious piece. Soviet arms like that on the 1920s-30s 5 kopeks... and LOL at the denomination written in Latin lettering.
Almost certainly a modern private fantasy piece rather any kind of pattern coin.
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I thought that the symbol near the P of CCCP was a Paris privy mark... but 1) looking at higher-resolution images of both, it doesn't quite match, and 2) the Paris mint director whose mark looks similar to this took office in 2011, and this token is attested since at least 2007.
The other symbol (by the first C) certainly looks like the cornucopia of Paris. Whoever made this must have tried to make it look like a Paris mint product. But if it's really from 1970, the expected Paris mint director mark is an owl, which doesn't look much like this weird pentagon; the only one that looks like it at all is too late to fit this item.
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This is what a real 1970 5 kopek is supposed to look like  The supposed token is modeled from earlier issue. Obviously the spelling of kopek is not correct  My partial coin collection http://www.omnicoin.com/collection/gxseriesMy numismatics articles and collection: http://www.gxseries.com/numis/numis_index.htm Regularly updated at least once a month. |
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In general, it is strange that part of the coin is written in Russian, and part in English. But I can say with confidence that this is not a real coin, perhaps a token. @Egonas, where did you buy this coin?
Given the initials of the French mint (dolphins, bee, cornucopia, etc.), I think that @january1may is right in saying that this is a French token.
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Posted 06/04/2023 7:07 pm
