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 Posted 09/17/2023  3:41 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add glenmorenee to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
How would you confirm authenticity of a poured gold ingot such as one of these Perth Mint buttons? I don't have any of the testing machines other than a scale. My LCS charges $25 for each pass of their hand held xrf machine.
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 Posted 09/17/2023  6:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Spence to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
You could do specific gravity to get further confidence, but twenty five bucks seems like a good investment to me.
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 Posted 09/17/2023  6:46 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Hondo Boguss to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
My LCS does it for free if you're even an occasional customer.
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 Posted 09/17/2023  7:24 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add oriole to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Remember that a bar/ button with a tungsten core would pass the specific gravity test.
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 Posted 09/17/2023  8:27 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sap to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Remember that a bar/ button with a tungsten core would pass the specific gravity test.

...nor an XRF test, since the x-rays can't penetrate very far through gold. If the gold wrapper is more than 1mm thick, a regular handheld metal-checking XRF won't see deep enough to spot the tungsten. Even the top-model highest-power XRF analysers can't see through more than 2mm of gold. You'd need gamma rays from a nuclear reactor, or take it to CERN and put it in their particle collider in order to generate radiation powerful enough to see straight through it. I don't know if making a tungsten-cored fake button ingot would be easier or harder than making a fake "chocolate bar" ingot.

You can check for non-tungsten base-metal fakes easily enough with the scale - assuming it's a 1 ounce button, does it actually weigh exactly one ounce, and if it does, is it significantly physically larger than another ounce of gold you happen to have lying around? A specific gravity rig can also give you peace of mind; even a rough and ready rig can tell the difference between an ounce of gold and an ounce of gilt brass.
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 Posted 09/17/2023  9:04 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add oriole to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
A sigma Analyzer could detect a bar with a tungsten core as the EM signature is different. However, they do not work on irregular shapes, and I don't know if a button would work.
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 Posted 09/18/2023  12:16 am  Show Profile   Check BH1964's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add BH1964 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Don't get overly paranoid. As Sap said, what are the weight and dimensions? If the weight and dimensions are good, and the bar has no obvious signs of tampering, then it's fine. It's supposed to be 19x19x5mm. An ounce of gold is very small and very dense. The tungsten worry is almost too remote to even consider. Just check the above and put your mind at ease.

Here's some pics (in the link): https://www.perthmint.com/shop/bull...ld-cast-bar/

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