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Did PCGS Miss This 5 Step DDR 1945 P Nickel?

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 Posted 03/19/2025  3:01 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add RonnieW to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
I sent this 1945 P Jefferson in for grading. It's definitely a DDR. I also was sure it has full steps. Anyone else agree they missed the error and designation? Thanks in advance.



https://www.pcgs.com/cert/50611402
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Questions:
Did you pay them for variety attribution?
Is this DDR a Cherrypicker Guide doubled die?

The steps could go either way. The hubs were still sharp in 1945 with reverse of 1940, so PCGS tends to be picky about what they call full steps for that year.
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to CCF.

Nice looking nickel, but I cannot see the DDR nor the steps very well to judge this coin.

can you post up a few close up images?
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 Posted 03/19/2025  3:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Errers and Varietys to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Did you pay for variety attribution? If you did, then they missed it.
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After a quick look, this is almost certainly FS-803 (DDR-003). Even the die scratches line up. Is that the variety attribution you requested on the paperwork? If so, I would say that they dropped the ball here.

http://www.varietyvista.com/04a%20J...5PDDR003.htm
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I'm not seeing the FS. You should have posted here before sending it off to PCGS.
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Dearborn, open the TrueView image. That resolution far exceeds anything we can post on the forums.
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Nice looking coin & I see splits on bottom of "Five Cents & USOA", definitely a DDR.
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Hondo, in fairness, you cannot tell me that the steps on this MS66FS FS-803 are cleaner than the steps on the MS63 coin above. They are in the gray area, it was a subjective call. I almost wonder if the MS63 grade didn't factor into the no-FS decision.

https://www.pcgs.com/cert/24823751
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Full steps is a total crap shoot. I think that it's been hyped by the TPGs as a money making scheme.
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Thanks Brand I will - but that link was not there when I started staring at the images above..

I'll go back and take a look.
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Agree, would need to know if you paid the extra fee/fees for the variety attribution.
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it was a subjective call. I almost wonder if the MS63 grade didn't factor into the no-FS decision.
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Full steps is a total crap shoot. I think that it's been hyped by the TPGs as a money making scheme.
1,000 % Preach on

We've all see FS designations that have had breaks in the steps, but because coin was sent in a "possible" bulk submission by a Big Time (heavy hitter) Dealers gets the breaks that John Q. Public doesn't.

However I've got the feeling poster may not have paid for all the extra bells and whistles.
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