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Why Can't Members Of The Public Buy ASE Monster Boxes Directly From The Mint

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 Posted 04/07/2025  2:22 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Boba Debt to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Just wondering why I have to go through a bullion seller to get a monster box of ASEs
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 Posted 04/07/2025  2:48 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Boba Debt to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for the info but I guess I need to clalrify my question

Does anyone know why the US mint doesn't sell tubes and individual monster box to the public?

It seems like an missed oppertunity for an addtional revenue stream

I would easily buy a tube of 20 every year from the mint if I could

I would also consider buying a monster box or 2 when the silver market is depressed

Just seems odd that they don't mind creating the secondary market for these
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My guess is that without the exclusive deal, the bullion dealers would not buy as much as they do and the Mint would actually sell a lot less.
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Why Can't I Buy Bullion Coins Directly From the Mint?"
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Published: December 03, 2014

Some mints such as Australia's Perth Mint allow individual buyers to purchase bullion coins directly. The US Mint's bullion program, including the popular Gold and Silver Eagle coins and Gold Buffalo, instead requires that bullion coins are first sold through a network of "Authorized Dealers." This practice is meant to maximize the availability and efficient distribution of these coins to the market. While I focus here on the US Mint, note that other national mints such as the Royal Canadian Mint employ similar practices for their bullion coins while the China Banknote Printing and Minting Corporation sells directly only domestically.

How the U.S. Mint Prices and Distributes Bullion
The laws that detail US Mint bullion programs (The Gold Bullion Coin Act of 1985, The Liberty Coin Act of 1985, 31 U.S.C. § 5112(ii)(51)(iv)) demand that Mint bullion coins be sold to authorized dealers at a static or relative markup ($2 for Silver Eagles, 3-9% depending on denomination for Gold Eagles, and 4% for Platinum Eagles) based on the spot price for the bullion at the time of sale as well as the cost of minting and distribution to dealers. Selling in bulk to authorized dealers for dissemination to the public may seem like a needless middle-man ploy, but competition between secondary sellers and the low base premiums charged by the US Mint ensure that end-prices for consumers remain relatively close to the spot-price and in line with other bullion programs. Bullion buyers are interested in buying precious metals for a cost as close as possible to the spot price, meaning that authorized dealers must endure a low profit margin on bullion coins that are already being sold to them at a premium.

In addition to the relatively low profit per ounce that bullion sales bring, firms that seek to become authorized dealers for US Mint bullion coins must subject themselves to substantial scrutiny in the form of independent financial audits; they must demonstrate that they have sufficient capital (a minimum of $10 million in net worth) and market presence before they can be approved. Additionally, approved firms must obey minimum purchasing rules; orders of Silver Eagles must be of at least 25,000 ounces, for instance. To put that in perspective, let us assume that silver has a spot price of $20/oz, which becomes $22/oz after the inclusion of the $2/oz markup from the US Mint. A minimum purchase of 25,000 ounces will cost an authorized dealer $550,000. Selling that inventory at an additional premium low enough that secondary dealers will be able to turn a profit for themselves means that the authorized dealer is not likely to make more than a few percent and must rely on volume of sales.

Why the U.S. Mint Does Things The Way They Do
Unfortunately, laws such as those that outline the US Mint's bullion program infrequently mention the exact reasoning behind their contents, but there seems to be an additional, less altruistic motive behind selling through licensed distributors: cost to the Mint. If we think about minting and distribution in terms of dollars and cents, the decision to work through private firms who can divvy out bulk purchases from the Mint is much more economically sound than the Mint distributing smaller quantities per order directly to individual buyers. Put simply, if the Mint begins distributing the same quantity of bullion as smaller individual orders, this increases the distribution cost per ounce. This increase in cost would also inevitably be passed on to the consumer, thus marginalizing whatever benefit they might receive. Whether a direct purchasing option from the Mint would actually be advantageous for consumers is up for debate, but the current state of bullion buying clearly benefits the Mint itself.

For those interested in purchasing US Mint products as collectibles, many are offered in proof condition for direct sale to the public. These proof collectibles generally have the same amount and composition of precious metal as their uncirculated bullion counterparts, but often demand substantially higher premiums over the spot price. This increased premium can be due to a number of factors, including special or alternate designs, finer polish and greater luster, etc. Proof coins are also struck and sold in much lower numbers than uncirculated bullion coins, meaning that they are shipped in substantially smaller quantities, equating to a higher distribution cost per ounce. The higher mark-up and reduced impetus on shipping large numbers of coins cheaply means that the direct sale of proof coins is much more tenable for the Mint.

Conclusion
As frustrating as it may be for the individual investor to be forced to purchase bullion coins through a middle-man, the Mint's practice of selling through authorized dealers is not quite as unfavorable as it may initially seem. The distribution of bulk quantities of bullion coins to dealers allows the Mint to keep their initial markup relatively small while competition between dealers stabilizes final costs at a low premium above the spot price. Furthermore, alternatives exist for those precious metals buyers seeking to avoid dealing with products from national mints altogether. Silver Rounds and bars produced by private mints generally offer the same purity as bullion coins. If your objective is to buy as much precious metal as possible for the lowest price, it may prove fruitful to compare prices between mints and their products, though you might be surprised at how low bullion coin premiums can actually be.
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The situation with the Royal Canadian Mint is similar: They don't want to be bothered by small fry (even small dealers who buy a few boxes a month).

The big dealers in Canada have to purchase a minimum quantity per year to buy directly (I think I recall this correctly), and if you think about it, it makes it easier for the mint to plan production.

The big dealers have some sort of hedging system so that they don't get caught in price drops.
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 Posted 04/07/2025  6:19 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
So buy direct from the Perth Mint.
It's all bullion to me !
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So buy direct from the Perth Mint.
It's all bullion to me !

Well, with the new 10% tariff, that's probably not going to be happening any more for US customers. Not unless they feel like paying the US government a 10% tax on whatever they buy.

Buying from the Perth Mint is essentially the same process as buying from a bullion dealer: you need to set up an account, and present some ID, before you can buy direct from the Mint. In effect, the Perth Mint has exactly the same policy as the US mint and RCM in only selling through Authorized Distributors; the only difference for the Perth Mint is that they've set up their own gift shop as one of those Authorized Distributors. It's a legacy from the days when GoldCorp held the gold trading monopoly.

Ultimately, the main reason why most mints tend to outsource distribution of bulk bullion coins is that they don't want to get stuck with a bunch of already-produced coins nobody wants at production cost if the bullion price happens to drop. Authorized dealers sign contracts to purchase certain quantities at certain times for a certain price, thus removing the uncertainty from the Mint and passing that risk on to the Distributors.

All of those mints are of course happy to sell you collector versions of those bullion coins, for a substantial markup above the bullion price.
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 Posted 04/08/2025  03:39 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Boba Debt to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
A lot of good point that I didn't really condsider or know about

Thanks for the info
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Ultimately, the main reason why most mints tend to outsource distribution of bulk bullion coins is that they don't want to get stuck with a bunch of already-produced coins nobody wants at production cost if the bullion price happens to drop.
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