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Now anyone can grade, slab, and sell: http://topeka.craigslist.org/clt/1206696537.html
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is self slabbing a bad thing? I am thinking along the lines of buying those air tight things I have seen and then printing my labels instead of reading my own chicken scratch on my 2x2s

Is that bad if I later decide to sell something? Or are these fake pcgs slabs or something? The link you provided is already flagged so I didn't see what it was.
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Is that bad if I later decide to sell something?


Not if you remove them from the slabs first. If you do not, you will be on the level of those we ridicule all over the forum. I say this to be informative, not accusatory - I know your heart to be in the right place - but *any* slab can be perceived by the unknowing to be a professional endorsement even if you don't list a grade on it.

There are a number of really good solutions for long-term preservation which do not run the risk of accidentally being seen as "professionally" done. I'd lean towards mylar flips with printed labels in the "other" half; they're no more or less airtight than 2x2's, and the most important aspect of long-term storage is more about where you store than how you store.
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Somebody in my area is also selling something like that. Here's a link.


http://inlandempire.craigslist.org/...6821589.html
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Craigslist doesn't fool around - I flagged the item a few hours ago t and apparently enough other folks in the area did, too, but it was exactly the same as the one that Rollhunter1994 spotted on his local Craigslist. If you can read the fine print on the label, you'll note that the slab is from that well-known service, Numismatic Authentification Company; NAC for short, lol. Just one of many fraudulent or spam listings you'll find on Craigslist. Beware.
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Not if you remove them from the slabs first. If you do not, you will be on the level of those we ridicule all over the forum.


I disagree to a point. If they are sold and represented truthfully, I see no problem with it. If it is a coin that would sell for say $10 raw and it is placed for sale at $11 to cover the cost of the slab what difference does it make? Raw or in a piece of plastic, still the old adage of buy the coin not the slab still applies.
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 Posted 06/06/2009  3:20 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add chequer to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I agree with Tim. As long as there is no misrepresentation (as is certainly the case with the craiglist ad!), it should be fine. If nobody's trying to pass it as a TPG, I don't see any problems.
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Tim and chequer, both of your comments are valid, until filtered through the dozens upon dozens (literally) of questions we've fielded over the last few years from people who have been deceived by cheap coins in cheap plastic. If I am off the end of the scale on this topic (which I freely admit), it's because my sense of disbelief over the dumb purchases people will make has long since been burned out of me.

As a result, I don't advocate the sale of anything which could even be remotely construed as "professional" packaging. Experience has proven that there are those who will insist on believing something which isn't true, even if you tell them it isn't.

Of course, there's also the attitude of "let them bid it up anyways, I've covered myself" which, as an ebay seller, I'm not immune to.

Out there, I'm a seller who does his best to accurately represent his offerings, and let the bids fall where they may. In here, I'm an educator who knows his most important audience has almost no existing knowledge of what I discuss. I have to cater to them first, and for the record your disagreements with me on this topic are just as valuable as my original position.

It's all about education.
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 Posted 06/06/2009  7:56 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add John Paul to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I have seen slabs for sale on the DC craigslist with the seller saying that the buyer can start their own coin grading service. When you flagged slab sellers for removal, did you add some comments - if so what did you say?
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This is slightly off the topic, but I could sure use your help.

I have several different size coins that I would like to slab with no label or grading. I would just use them to protect the coins and have some kind of organization. I also have 4 used PCGS slab boxes. The coins are in a vast variety of wrappers/covers and Airtites.
They lay in the boxes horizontally instead of vertically.

Does any one know where I can find see-through slabs that are universal for coin diameters and will fit in these boxes?

Thanks so much.
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the Coin World slabs fit pretty good in the blue PCGS boxes
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If nobody's trying to pass it as a TPG, I don't see any problems.

I agree but, you will always have these garage slabbers "grading" coins and putting them in "slab your own coins" holders trying to pass every coin as an MS70. SGS is a perfect example. As SuperDave has stated and it can't be emphasized enough, education is key to knowing what to buy, and what to avoid. This holds true with the seller and the coin. They go hand in hand. If the dealer or seller has anything shady about them, the coin at that point does not matter because I won't deal with that person any longer. That's how I operate.
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 Posted 06/07/2009  12:52 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add malissadawn to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I didn't mean to say that I was going to buy fake TPG ones. I mean just empty ones that would fit my own printed labels..... which of course would have my own grades but then again, my 2x2s have my own grades too.

I had considered getting a label printer thing that prints out little stickers but it's hard to get all the information into one sticker on a 2x2.

If you buy those slab things empty with no labels in them can you open them again later? Or do they close forever unless you break them?
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 Posted 06/07/2009  1:51 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add IBGolden to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
^^^ malissadawn ^^^

I bought slabs that are basically big airtites... openable and such. They came with blank tags and the *"foam" cut out to standard sizes(eg. penny, nickel, dime, quarter and other U.S. coin sizes... what you order). *They are indeed archival quality.

I bought them from cheaptreasuresfl on ebay... but they aren't seemingly active rite now. The slabs were labelled "Image Guard", and were a buck 99 for a pack of 2. He was a good seller too, shipping was fair and a good deal the more you bought. Too bad the seller seems to have packed it up(?).

I will see if I can get "Image Guard" slab listings for you... although ebay ca appears to be having some problems lately.

edit>... whoa, whoa on the penny word. They fit Canadian coins just fine!

>>> edit 2... linky VVV
http://www.the2buds.com/sucnsapn.htm
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06/07/2009 2:09 pm
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 Posted 06/07/2009  2:19 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add chequer to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Nope, sorry, I don't see any reason why, as in Malissadawn's example up top, putting your coins in those slabs and printing a label (that wasn't being represented as a TPG) would be any problem ... even if you were to sell the coin in that slab down the road. I'm not a fan of those slabs, but if anyone should be, I'm not seeing any problem at all.
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