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Posted 03/02/2010 02:15 am
I just think the idea of having presidents on our coinage is just like old world coins.. the ones that always have monarchs on the coins... It is a tired Idea.. And lets face it... We tend to only remember the best things about the people on our coins.. and the ones that were to horrible to ignore generally don't make it (new dollar coins aside) Think about the line up of our current circulation coinage
1 cent - Lincoln
-He appointed generals and war planners so ineffectual they make Donald Rumsfeld look like Sun Tzu.
-When he did finally find generals worth a darn (Grant and Sherman), he let those generals engage in a bloody campaign that directly targeted Confederate civilians (Sherman's March to the Sea).
-He suspended the writ of habeas corpus, which allowed him to arrest thousands of U.S. citizens (including plenty of journalists) and hold them without cause or trial. When a U.S. Circuit Court overturned Lincoln on this, he simply ignored their ruling.
-He won re-election in 1864 through a variety of questionable tactics, including having Union troops redeployed to states to pressure and intimidate voters.
-He never had a particularly high opinion of blacks, starting from indifference to the plight of slavery and eventually concluding that freed slaves should be shipped back to Africa.
-He fought for quite a while to preserve slavery in border states and only turned to emancipating slaves as a last-ditch strategy for weakening the Confederacy. (As for Lincoln's views on the morality of the subject, keep in mind that he was not a Christian; in fact, Lincoln wrote a small book explicitly rejecting the veracity of the Bible.)
-He kept border states like Maryland loyal to the Union by first promising not to end slavery there, then by hauling away political leaders without trial.
-He responded to a Sioux Indian rebellion (sparked by refusal of the United States to abide by signed treaties) by not only sending troops out to stomp the insurrection, but by abolishing the Indian reservation there, canceling all treaties with the Sioux, and putting a $25 bounty on their scalps.
5 cent - Jefferson
- He owned hundreds of slaves, and he said, "Slavery is immoral, and should be abolished." Jefferson had many good qualities, and this hypocritical action was one of his very few faults.
- The Embargo and Non-Importation Acts he set up to punish the British for their impressment policy--they only succeeded in wounding the American economy because it restricted US trade more than England's (they simply traded with Latin America instead.)
10 cent - FDR
-FDR was convinced that falling prices were slowing economic recovery. So he decided that the thing to do was to get prices up. Now, when supply is limited, prices rise. To limit supply, FDR and his Secretary of Agriculture Henry Wallace, ordered the destruction of "excess" livestock, food crops, cotton and pretty much anything else American farmers produced thereby succeeding in raising prices on food and clothing at a time when a great many people were underfed and wearing rags.
-FDR and company thought that a small "brain trust" could determine what quantity of production would bring things back in "balance". What arrogance and narcissism it must take to be capable of entertaining, let alone acting upon, such thoughts.
-Also note that the Agricultural Adjustment Act (AAA) did not help in recovery in any way and left up to 2 million sharecroppers and farm laborers unemployed and the rest of the nation a little bit poorer and hungrier.
-After the Supreme Court struck down the AAA and several other New Deal programs as unconstitutional, FDR attempted to pack the Supreme Court in a move that would have allowed him, via age discrimination, to immediately appoint 6 new justices and expand the size of the Court to 15.
-FDR's attempt to resize the Court failed, but he did manage to bring about a heck of a constitutional crisis. Among the ultimate consequences is a Court that rarely lets trivial things such as the interstate commerce clause stand in the way of the expansion of the federal government's scope and authority.
-FDR also refused to integrate the military (Truman did it in '48), provoked his way into WWII and, despite poor performance, maintained strong popular support by scapegoating his predecessor.
-The unemployment rate for non-agricultural (urban) workers under FDR never dropped below 20% (the overall rate actually rose after Phase II) and there really is a good deal of evidence that the New Deal only served to prolong the Depression by 5-7 years.
-The more time passes, the fewer nice things people have to say about FDR's policies.he could have saved millions of jews during the holocaust, by allowing more than 20000 children in (though not all were allowed in anyway) or just simply bombing the tracks to aushwitz. not to mention when the newspaper would say 1000000 more die in germany, it would normally contain few sentences and it would be in the corner of the back of the newspaper.
25 cent - Washington
I'm not going to get too deep in the George Washington. However I will say that we have a much different view on our first president then the histories of the rest of the world.
I would also like to point out the hypocrisy of our country in that they talk (or scream) about the dangers of marijuana and yet our first president grew hundreds of acres of the stuff and is quoted as saying: "You can judge a man by the quality of his hemp"
And instead of being blasted as a drug dealer (he would were he alive today) he is hailed as a hero and everyone is afraid of what people might think if we took him off of the quarter.
These men are our best? So good, in fact, that they deserve to be on our coins?
A man that hated the bible, blacks, and Indians. Let his generals murder innocent civilians, held Americans without cause or trial, and put a bounty on the "scalps" of an entire race of people (can you say genocide)?
A self loathing owner of over 100 slaves.
A guy that intentionally made people starve by artificially increasing the cost of food. Caused the worst financial depression in our nations history to continue 5+ years longer than it had to, tried to hijack the supreme court and kick everyone out that disagreed with him..
And finally, a drug dealer.
Why are these men better that the man that invented the way we use electricity? The Man that invented The Light Bulb, the Phone.. It just doesn't make sense.
1 cent - Lincoln
-He appointed generals and war planners so ineffectual they make Donald Rumsfeld look like Sun Tzu.
-When he did finally find generals worth a darn (Grant and Sherman), he let those generals engage in a bloody campaign that directly targeted Confederate civilians (Sherman's March to the Sea).
-He suspended the writ of habeas corpus, which allowed him to arrest thousands of U.S. citizens (including plenty of journalists) and hold them without cause or trial. When a U.S. Circuit Court overturned Lincoln on this, he simply ignored their ruling.
-He won re-election in 1864 through a variety of questionable tactics, including having Union troops redeployed to states to pressure and intimidate voters.
-He never had a particularly high opinion of blacks, starting from indifference to the plight of slavery and eventually concluding that freed slaves should be shipped back to Africa.
-He fought for quite a while to preserve slavery in border states and only turned to emancipating slaves as a last-ditch strategy for weakening the Confederacy. (As for Lincoln's views on the morality of the subject, keep in mind that he was not a Christian; in fact, Lincoln wrote a small book explicitly rejecting the veracity of the Bible.)
-He kept border states like Maryland loyal to the Union by first promising not to end slavery there, then by hauling away political leaders without trial.
-He responded to a Sioux Indian rebellion (sparked by refusal of the United States to abide by signed treaties) by not only sending troops out to stomp the insurrection, but by abolishing the Indian reservation there, canceling all treaties with the Sioux, and putting a $25 bounty on their scalps.
5 cent - Jefferson
- He owned hundreds of slaves, and he said, "Slavery is immoral, and should be abolished." Jefferson had many good qualities, and this hypocritical action was one of his very few faults.
- The Embargo and Non-Importation Acts he set up to punish the British for their impressment policy--they only succeeded in wounding the American economy because it restricted US trade more than England's (they simply traded with Latin America instead.)
10 cent - FDR
-FDR was convinced that falling prices were slowing economic recovery. So he decided that the thing to do was to get prices up. Now, when supply is limited, prices rise. To limit supply, FDR and his Secretary of Agriculture Henry Wallace, ordered the destruction of "excess" livestock, food crops, cotton and pretty much anything else American farmers produced thereby succeeding in raising prices on food and clothing at a time when a great many people were underfed and wearing rags.
-FDR and company thought that a small "brain trust" could determine what quantity of production would bring things back in "balance". What arrogance and narcissism it must take to be capable of entertaining, let alone acting upon, such thoughts.
-Also note that the Agricultural Adjustment Act (AAA) did not help in recovery in any way and left up to 2 million sharecroppers and farm laborers unemployed and the rest of the nation a little bit poorer and hungrier.
-After the Supreme Court struck down the AAA and several other New Deal programs as unconstitutional, FDR attempted to pack the Supreme Court in a move that would have allowed him, via age discrimination, to immediately appoint 6 new justices and expand the size of the Court to 15.
-FDR's attempt to resize the Court failed, but he did manage to bring about a heck of a constitutional crisis. Among the ultimate consequences is a Court that rarely lets trivial things such as the interstate commerce clause stand in the way of the expansion of the federal government's scope and authority.
-FDR also refused to integrate the military (Truman did it in '48), provoked his way into WWII and, despite poor performance, maintained strong popular support by scapegoating his predecessor.
-The unemployment rate for non-agricultural (urban) workers under FDR never dropped below 20% (the overall rate actually rose after Phase II) and there really is a good deal of evidence that the New Deal only served to prolong the Depression by 5-7 years.
-The more time passes, the fewer nice things people have to say about FDR's policies.he could have saved millions of jews during the holocaust, by allowing more than 20000 children in (though not all were allowed in anyway) or just simply bombing the tracks to aushwitz. not to mention when the newspaper would say 1000000 more die in germany, it would normally contain few sentences and it would be in the corner of the back of the newspaper.
25 cent - Washington
I'm not going to get too deep in the George Washington. However I will say that we have a much different view on our first president then the histories of the rest of the world.
I would also like to point out the hypocrisy of our country in that they talk (or scream) about the dangers of marijuana and yet our first president grew hundreds of acres of the stuff and is quoted as saying: "You can judge a man by the quality of his hemp"
And instead of being blasted as a drug dealer (he would were he alive today) he is hailed as a hero and everyone is afraid of what people might think if we took him off of the quarter.
These men are our best? So good, in fact, that they deserve to be on our coins?
A man that hated the bible, blacks, and Indians. Let his generals murder innocent civilians, held Americans without cause or trial, and put a bounty on the "scalps" of an entire race of people (can you say genocide)?
A self loathing owner of over 100 slaves.
A guy that intentionally made people starve by artificially increasing the cost of food. Caused the worst financial depression in our nations history to continue 5+ years longer than it had to, tried to hijack the supreme court and kick everyone out that disagreed with him..
And finally, a drug dealer.
Why are these men better that the man that invented the way we use electricity? The Man that invented The Light Bulb, the Phone.. It just doesn't make sense.
Edited by coretj
03/02/2010 02:17 am
03/02/2010 02:17 am
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If anyone knows some tutorials please PM me and I will make up a concept design for a change to the silver eagle
