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Portrait "En Face" - How Many?

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 Posted 03/25/2011  07:38 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Litotes to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
I wonder haw many coins feature a rulers portrait "En face" as opposed to in profile. I can think of only one, a Norwegian 1/8 Speciedaler 1661. Anyone remember having seen others?
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 Posted 03/25/2011  08:25 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bacchus2 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Well, just about every Byzantine coin issued has the images looking straight on. Some of the older Greek and Roman coins have busts at 3/4's on which are quite spectactular
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 Posted 03/25/2011  08:39 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Litotes to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Ah, my mistake. I meant to exclude antiques. I am looking for coins with rulers "En face" from the 16th century onward.
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I know some spanish coins which are displayed that way (I collect spanish coins, no clue about french ones :p).
Here is a couple of pictures from what I got (the last two are a serie from the same region, each king have the same "face" - sometime with a funny look):

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 Posted 03/25/2011  12:51 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Secret Argent Man to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
2006 US nickel comes to my mind, though I'm not sure he's a "ruler" as such...
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Thank you, MathieuMa! Those are very nice coins. I will try to find one for my collection, unless they are too expensive (the Norwegian one I mentioned is absolutely impossible).
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English coinage began to switch from the generic "facing" to individualized "profile" portraits in the reign of Henry VII, but facing portraiture still makes an occasional appearance afterwards. The most famous example is probably the "Old Coppernose" debased silver coinage of the third series of Henry VIII, 1544-1547. Example on Tony Clayton's site. These portraits are clearly intended to actually depict Henry VIII, rather than the stylized depiction of "the King" used in previous generations.

The British coins with "facing portraits" in more modern times are the "coronation types", with the monarch depicted seated on a throne and facing, though the monarch's face is usually lost amongst the royal regalia. The 1989 sovereign had a "retro" design with just such a coronation scene; see here.

A good compromise between "profile" and "facing" is "three-quarters facing", where the king is looking neither directly forward nor straight off to the side - like Helios on the ancient Rhodian coin I use for my avatar. Most non-profile portraits of rulers in the 20th century are like this, rather than full-facing. Here's an Iranian example.
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Here's a very modern one from Thailand. They can be quite dramatic images



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 Posted 03/26/2011  08:48 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Nic to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Here's one silver from Finland 1975

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The euro coins from Spain (€1 and €2) and the Vatican (all denominations) have "almost frontal" portraits. See images (from europa.eu) below.

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How about the Churchill? You guys count that one? He's at a 3/4 turn...
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Well, it sure is not a classical profile like QE's effigy on the other side. Could be considered to be another in-between case. :) Oh, and while I don't like the font used for his name, his portrait I find quite characteristic. http://(131231) Not Allowed - Auto-Removed /countries/img9/76-910.jpg

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Thanks for the tips and pictures, all. The Churchill one I would discount on two counts. To qualify one should be able to at least see both eyes (I will accept the "Three quarter facing" category Sap mentions). And the ruler should be a current one, not a commemmorative version. The Thai coin Bacchus' showed was a very good example of what I am looking for, I loved the direct look. Must get that one. The Euro coins Christian showed also qualify.
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BTW, the spanish coins I posted are between 20 to ~100USD (a bit less or more depending on the dates / quality)
Another interesting set would be ... women on coins :) (maybe for a next thread - same principle, no historical coin)
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If "women on coins" includes all pieces where a woman is depicted as an allegorical figure (Liberty, Marianne, Europa, etc.), you will get an awfully long list. :) Ah, here is a collector coin from Sweden, with a woman (future ruler so to say) and a man, both en face ...

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I meant, without alegory - but after thinking about it there are indeed some countries with women on coins.
To make it harder, let's say ... a seri with a ruling couple :)
Couples on coins are scarce (got only one, like this one : http://www.maravedis.net/rrcc_excelentepag.html)
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