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Dumb Questions About Refiners, And Melting?

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I am still relatively new to the silver trade but after getting my hands on 2 hoards very cheaply I now have the full fledge silver bug. I have a ton of 90% Kennedy halves that I was thinking about having melted into some 10 or 50 oz bars. First, Are there refineries that
i can go to and pay to melt these commons into bars? Also, is this just plain dumb to do to? I know how most of you feel about melting but the only ones melted what be 1964 Kennedy's. Any help is appreciated.
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you know the general feeling of melting coins. IMO silver coins are easier to sell/trade than bars.
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First of all, there are no dumb questions.
Second, I used Midwest Refineries, and they took awhile but I got 90% of spot the day they melted and it turned out good.
On their website they say they will pay you in bars, that might be something you would want to look into.
Third, as long as you don't care about the coins you are melting, except for the silver in them, go ahead and melt away!
Midwest is in Michigan I think so you would have to either drive or mail, mailing is probably cheaper since I don't know where you live.
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Ever try to make change for 50oz bars? You'd be trading a known quantity of $20 bills (more or less) for $2500 bills, and going from a government guaranteed coin to a private, plain, piece of silver, and paying for the privilege.
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To biggfredds totally correct point, I wouldn't convert less than a 1000 oz silver weight.

But, I can't keep it all in coin form, it's ridiculous to try and maintain order once you hit a certain point. Recognized kilo bars are the poison of choice and I do keep smaller denominations in coin and rounds. I figure it should look like your wallet, a few large bills and some change.

I know I can make a deal by depositing recognized kilo bars of silver at my bank for a near immediate cash conversion to buy a house or land, but if I took in silver dollars, they'd say they were worth face value. The currency you use needs to fit the transaction you are doing. In this scenario, the bank in question is one of the larger bullion dealers around.

Keep the currency you need to fund the style of "crime" you need to pull off.
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Keep them in coin form, much easier to assay and count.
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I wouldnt even consider melting 64 halves into bars....ever....even if they paid me a little for my trouble!
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 Posted 04/30/2011  10:51 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tnwalker10 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I assume your silver coins are pretty recognizable, meaning it's obvious what they are and their silver content. If you melt them all down to a single ingot, and decide to sell, are you going to have to convince someone what % silver your ingot is? I've never dealt with ingots or rounds so I don't know.
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Get some Coinsafe Rolls and Stash them. If you must get rid of them, Sell them in one lot since you said you got a good deal, take the proceeds and buy .999 silver. You can keep the coins alive that way, and choose what kind of bars you want. What do you consider a "hoard"?
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Hoard of silver to me is a lot over 5K. I have two great buys this year that would be classified as that. Good points guys about melting just gets hard to store a bunch of coins. Thanks for the help
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The first question you need to answer is, "Why do I have these Kennedy halves?". Once you have answered that, you will know what to do.

My thought is in agreement with others here... and that is to sell or trade your Kennedy halves for bars, if it is bars that you want. That will give you silver in the form that you want, yet preserve the halves for those who collect them.

Most of the bars I've seen have been 99.9% silver or better. I don't recall seeing any 90% silver bars, although that is certainly possible. When selling bars, it is very helpful if they are from a recognized producer, such as Johnson-Matthey or Englehard. These are pretty much recognized on sight as being bona fide silver bullion. These days, of course, there seem to be some fake bars out there, so care is needed when buying them.

Another way to shrink the volume of your collection would be to trade in the halves for a few gold coins. The gold:silver price ratio is just under 33:1, so 33 ozs. of silver plus whatever premium the dealer charges will buy about 1 oz. of gold. That would be about 85 half dollars for 1 oz. of gold depending on metal prices at the time of the trade.

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I am not sure I understand why you desire bars over coins anyway?

As bigfredd made a vaild point saying that with government-there is no questioning their silver content or the quality of the silver. However, there are Chinese-made, fake silver bars out there.

If you are a person who believes a big economic collapse is inevitable, then hang onto the Kennedy's for sure. Everyone out there can recognize a coin - and can be educated (and shown) it is silver. But not everyone is familiar with silver bars. So again you have the authenticity issue.

A last point -- why spend money to have them made into something else? Keep the profit in your own pockets
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If you want bars then sell the coins and buy name brand 5oz or 10oz bars. You will come out money ahead and not contribute to the mass melting of coins going on right now.

1964 Kennedy halves have many willing buyers who will pay $17 each. They usually have very little wear and many people collect them.
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In my short time here, I have noticed that most of these wise vet collectors loves those pre 1964 Franklin's and Kennedy's and there will always be a re-sale factor there. Easy to store, nice to look at....

Plus like Fredd said loose money to convert, then no way to prove they are real....
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I don't recall seeing any 90% silver bars - Ed_B

I saw on ebay a bar of 10 oz. 90% silver. I recall that their where no takers at the end of auction. I believe the reason for that lot not being sold is, the bar had no distinguishing markings, (i.e. Engelhard or Monarch Precious Metals loaf bar).
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