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Doctored Lincoln Cent? My Analysis From An Ebay Seller

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 Posted 09/19/2011  5:54 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add rjkingston to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Last week I became acquainted with many CCF member opinions of eBay seller nancye913. Since I've collected mostly silver for the past 10+ years I'm not as experienced spotting doctored / cleaned copper coins. I've only recently revisited my copper collection from my teen years of roll searching for wheaties and I'm trying to fill the holes in my collection and came across some, what I thought, great looking wheats on eBay.

https://www.coincommunity.com/forum...PIC_ID=98031

https://www.coincommunity.com/forum...PIC_ID=98030

I bought the coin, and it arrived. I want to be skeptical, but it actually doesn't look doctored to me. So here goes, looking for opinions. Is it original, cleaned/dipped or actually doctored?
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09/19/2011 6:32 pm
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 Posted 09/19/2011  5:59 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add vermontensium to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yeah, again obviously dipped/cleaned/doctored...any combination of these. Avoid this guy ;-)
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 Posted 09/19/2011  6:10 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Whytlash to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Strike THREE?



(Sorry, I don't get it. You've posted twice about this coin and received 30 replies between the two telling you that it's the spawn of the devil and now you have the coin in hand and want more? Can you post a picture of it so we can maybe see the horns better?)

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 Posted 09/19/2011  6:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add rjkingston to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
This is meant to be an analysis for all us inexperienced copper guys Whytlash. I said I'd get the coin to analyze it for CCF. If nobody finds it useful, then so be it.
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 Posted 09/19/2011  6:39 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add rjkingston to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
We remember the seller's photos



Here is the actual coin, natural lighting from my window. (sorry a little out of focus)



Different angle:
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 Posted 09/19/2011  6:44 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add rjkingston to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Incandescent lighting, different angles:









Compared to my known uncleaned 1929:




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 Posted 09/19/2011  6:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add rjkingston to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
One more post; in direct sunlight:


Compared to uncleaned roll finds.






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 Posted 09/19/2011  6:51 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add rjkingston to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The cent looks natural to me in hand. Obviously the seller's photo is done at an angle, or photoshopped.

So for the ones who commented last week, is this doctored coin? or doctored photo?

(Again, for everyone, I know the seller is bad. I'm not looking for more people to tell me the seller is bad. This is simply for educational purposes to us copper newbs. I'm trying to figure out how nearly 5000 people last year were ok with what they got after the sale.)
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 Posted 09/19/2011  6:51 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add vermontensium to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hmmm...looks fine to me. Goes to show you that you have to get the coin in hand. He probably uses photoshop to soften up his photos to make his sales more attractive...my theory at least.
Your first photo from the window and natural light shows the actual wear of the coin. His photo tends to hide some of the wear.
I have to admit I jumped the gun a little on the coin too and not the photo. This is why a return policy is very important.
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 Posted 09/19/2011  7:03 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CaptainFwiffo to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I agree - the coin doesn't look bad, but the photo is clearly doctored in an attempt to hide flaws and make it look nicer than it actually is.
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 Posted 09/19/2011  7:08 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add cwb8539 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

I'm thinking the photos are doctored. The coin looks fine in your pics.
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 Posted 09/19/2011  7:38 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Whytlash to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I apologize if I interpreted your post the wrong way, but without any in hand pictures there wasn't anything to anything to analyze except the previous posts you linked to.

That aside, with your in hand pictures, it has a better look than under his "studio lighting". It still looks like "something was done to it", but under normal lighting not horribly so.

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 Posted 09/19/2011  7:40 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ceaton to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
A: The photo is doctored. You can clearly tell by the brownish hue in the carpet tips. I know photoshop fairly well, and this is a easy thing to do. It a miracle how all of his/her coins have the same brownish tone to them and look all perfect?

B: The coin looks fine from your pics, but its still a mis-representation of the actual coin. This seller is well known on these forums to be a really bad source for Lincolns. Its obvious to steer clear from this seller and you have be appropriately warned from all of us honest people!
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 Posted 09/19/2011  7:44 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add KenKat to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Well, something looked doctored - based on your research, it appears to be the photos and not the coin itself, which is better than the opposite as at least the coin is ok.

Good research.
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 Posted 09/19/2011  7:48 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add vermontensium to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I am also with those that say avoid this guy BTW. Playing with your photos (the way he does) is a dishonest thing and should be avoided. Not to mention names but there are "Coin Co's" on ebay that do this with all their coin pictures and these Companies should be avoided as well.
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 Posted 09/19/2011  8:10 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ricardocody to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I bought a coin from nancy but only bid what I though it worth at the time !
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