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 Posted 12/21/2012  07:02 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add austrokiwi to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply


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in germany and austria, we call theese coins "Klippe"


Is that wholly correct? I ask because I understood Klippe to be round coins in a square "planchet". They came about from a unique minting method the coins were made not with dies as we understand them today but with two Rollers set up like an old washing mangle. One roller would have the obverse engraved in it and the other the reverse). A strip of metal ( long rectangular) would be feed into the set up and squeezed/rolled through it then each coin would be cut free from the strip. As that technology developed more than one denomination was produced on the same strip and then at some stage people added decorative elements around the Coin design. I understand ( although really rare) that from time to time uncut strips with the rolled coins not cut out come to the market...of course they are very expensive. IMHO Klippe aren't true square coins as they coins were designed to end up round in the end(Generally).
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They came about from a unique minting method the coins were made not with dies as we understand them today but with two Rollers set up like an old washing mangle. One roller would have the obverse engraved in it and the other the reverse


I've heard that Livonian coins from the 17th century were produced with a similar method despite being round. Is that true, and if so, could one have got clipped?
I'm asking because one of mine* has a slight misalignment that puts on the coin a piece of beaded border that appears to belong on another coin (similar to misaligned print on banknotes) - which suggests a coining method similar to the one described - and appears to have a clip almost exactly opposite that piece (unfortunately, the usual signs of a clip as opposed to damage would've been hard to see on such an old coin, and for that matter if the clipping happened during the process of cutting the coins out from the strip we might well have no way to tell anyway - but until I see evidence to the contrary I would personally assume it's clipped).

*) funnily, I bought it for Secret Santa, but later found out it's illegal to send and decided not to take the risk
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I don't know the coins you refer to ( hopefully some one else does) if they were very early 17th century then it is quite likely the technique was predominantly used in the 16th century. The coins Struck" by this roller method ( especially the larger crown sized pieces) are quite often "bent" as they pick up some curvature from going through the Rollers. I have a Leypold the Hog-mouth double thaler and the "bending" is very obvious ( I am not sure how obvious it would be on small diameter coins
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I don't know the coins you refer to ( hopefully some one else does) if they were very early 17th century then it is quite likely the technique was predominantly used in the 16th century. The coins Struck" by this roller method ( especially the larger crown sized pieces) are quite often "bent" as they pick up some curvature from going through the Rollers. I have a Leypold the Hog-mouth double thaler and the "bending" is very obvious ( I am not sure how obvious it would be on small diameter coins


They're middle 17th century (that particular one was 1654 IIRC... could've been 1652 or 1651, don't remember exactly) and relatively tiny (you know what a solidus is right? sorry I didn't mention it in the original post).
In fact, I'm not actually sure that's the reason; I just heard somewhere that they were minted that way.
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