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Pillar of the Community
United States
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As I reach the wire on finishing our book on Counterfeit Portrait 8Rs - I find myself in a problem of my own creation. I hope some of you can help me out. You all know I collect counterfeit coins. But what I don't have a lot of in my collection (anymore) are REAL ones. What I need for the book are photographs of indisputably real Portrait 8R edges. The edges need to be clear and not badly worn so that the designs used are clear. I can crop and re-orient basically any shot as long as it is either horizontal or vertical (I don't yet know how to rotate an angled picture). There is no need to show any of the face of the coin (just an indication of the king and Mint along with the picture.) This would actually make a great precursor to a definitive study of real edge designs by date but for now all I really need data by King and mint. The following is a theoretical wish list. Each King - Charles III, Charles IV and Ferdinand VII. For each of the Kings, I would like one picture for each of the mints that made the coins. If possible I would also like to include the peninsular mints of Spain. I am not going to illustrate the War time mints of Mexico. So here is the entire wish list.
Charles III Charles IV Ferdinand VII
Mexico City Mexico City Mexico City
Potosi Potosi Potosi
Lima Lima Lima
Santaigo Santaigo Santaigo
Guatemala Guatemala Guatemala
Seville Seville Seville
Madrid Madrid Madrid
Columbia (P)
Cadiz
Cuzco (Peru)
Reus (Cataluna)
Valencia (V)If anyone can provide photographs let me know - I can insert photo credits for pictures used. Thanks |
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Pillar of the Community
France
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Hi swamperbob, I'm glad if I can help :) Here is what I have already on my pictures - I can redo those if you want. Not sure what you included in your portrait style - I went a bit too broad maybe ? Felipe V - 8 reales Mexico 1735:    Carolus III - 8 reales Guatemala 1769:      Carolus III - 8 reales Sevilla 1775:  Ferdinand VI - 8 reales Mexico 1748:  Carolus IV - 8 reales Madrid 1808:  Napoleon - 20 reales Madrid 1809:  Ferdinand VII - 2 reales Pasto 1822 (not sure bigger even exists):  Ferdinand VII - 8 reales Sevilla 1808:  Ferdinand VII - 8 reales Santiago 1810:  Ferdinand VII - 8 reales Valencia 1811:  Ferdinand VII - 8 reales Mexico 1809:   Ferdinand VII - 20 reales Madrid 1809:  Edited by MathieuMa
12/07/2012 05:41 am
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Pillar of the Community
United Kingdom
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Mathieu, can you let me have your address please? And the times when you'll be out of the house? 
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Pillar of the Community
France
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alganbagerap : you won't find much at home (my french and american family proof sets and a couple of coins I have out on display just because I like coins) , you'll need to go check the nearby bank basement ;)
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Pillar of the Community
United Kingdom
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Great coins and great photographs Mathieu  |
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Pillar of the Community
 United States
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Thanks Matthew - I believe that I can use several of those.
The focus for now is on the portrait 8Rs only, but you do have some interesting edges. The lack of substantial variation in the 8R series of Spain may allow me to post one single photo as a type. I will wit to see what other pictures we can locate before making a final decision. I have roughly a week or so.
How should the photos be attributed?
I just noticed my table came out horrible - you can not uses blank spaces to create a table.
The last 5 mints are Ferdinand VI only.
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Forum Dad
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I just noticed my table came out horrible - you can not uses blank spaces to create a table. I fixed it for you. In the future, if you wrap it in the code tags using the  button the software will preserve the spaces. |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Thanks - you can see I am not great with computers.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Swamperbob, I am terrible with pictures but have all the Mexico Mint Portraits, If I can figure out a way to take a photo I will send you some sweet looking edges. I am open to tutoring from anyone who has any ideas. I have access to a flat plate scanner and an Iphone for taking images.
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12/08/2012 2:46 pm
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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On a flat plate scanner I use a stack of 2x2 cardboard coin holders still wrapped in elastics. I put the coin in the center of the bundle and sit it on edge on the scanner surface. On mine I select the area to scan as just the edge and it did a great job. I also used a large felt covered ring case (with a spring hinge)for the same purpose. The coin stands up held in place by the ring box but I used an elastic around the outside to insure it stayed put.
Of course now I shoot directly through one lens of my binocular microscope. That way I can get even a clearer picture that can be blown up to enormous size for taking measurements.
The Mo, Pts and Lima mints are what I really need - clear clean and only about 5 segments long 3 circles two rectangles.
Thanks.
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Valued Member
Austria
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hello swamperbob - this is quiet a nice and interesting field of numismatics. as you know, I am also collecting contemporary counterfeits from spain and the new world, but only the escudo series. so I am very sorry that I cannot help you with the silver coins... https://goccf.com/t/134371at the moment the last answer of this thread. greets from austria Edited by platinrubel
12/08/2012 12:29 am
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TJscoins - Hello and thanks - nice photos of the two overlaps. In this case what I am looking for is the design between the overpals to clearly show what a real edge design looks like.
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