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I'm Interested In European Coins. I Have A Question.

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Hi, I'm interested in European coins and I want to start with Doubloons.

While I'm mainly interested in collecting stuff that I personally like, I'm also interested in value appreciation.

I cannot find any info on appreciation of non US coins. I was wondering if the coins I'm talking about appreciate at a decent rate or if they just hedge against inflation.
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I don't think they are either... the major rarities go up, but ordinary coins not so much. Depending on what & when you bought, you could be ahead, even or behind (esp. net of inflation) - the 1971 Eisenhower proof and unc coins I bought from the US mint SELL for about issue price. Means dealers buy them for half - 44 years later...
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 Posted 06/28/2015  4:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Zeusophobia to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
So you're saying the coins I'm interested in aren't investment quality in any way? I still want to get some, but if I'm going to lose money on them I'll make sure not to dump too much money into them.
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Coin collecting is really a hobby. It's great if your collection appreciates in value over time - but most collectors don't overly care as they do it for the hobby aspect rather than making any financial gain. It's been said many times that there are a lot of more sure ways of increasing your finances than coin collecting.
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I have to say I'm a bit confused. Doubloons? Do you mean gold 8 Escudo coins?

Because they are hardly what I'd call 'European' in that although some were minted in Spain, most were 'New World' (Mexico, Peru and Portuguese colonies) issues.

Either way, usual advice applies. Buy the best you can afford, do your homework on which issues are scarcest and buy them because you enjoy them. If you are lucky, after 10 or so years, you might make a profit when you sell. Of course, that depends on the market for such coins. Which nobody can predict for certain I'm afraid.

As for appreciation, well most coins only 'hedge against inflation' The ones that make the biggest profits tend to be top quality rarities from well-provenanced known collections. Which of course, cost quite a bit to start with.

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Yeah I don't know jack about coins other than the amount of reseach I was able to do between today and yesterday. I guess Doubloons aren't very european. I'm mainly interested in coins for the historical aspects, and pirates are pretty darn cool.
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Pirates are cool right now, but will they still be cool in 10 years time? That's the gamble on applying coins that have a large "fashion" component of their value.

The other angle of "risk" in buying expensive "pirate coins" is that you never know when some treasure-hunters might go and dig up a shipwreck and find thousands more of the things. "Pirate coins" are probably more vulnerable to such a sudden increase in supply than other modern coins are.

Also, a large component of their value is purely in the gold content. For example, the stereotypical "pirate coin", a Peruvian 8 escudo from the early 1700s, will set you back $4000, $1000 of which is just the bullion value of the gold. The price will therefore go up and down with the gold price as much as it will with the fad and fashion of the collector market.

As for obtaining "info on appreciation", the best I can suggest is buying a couple of old second-hand 1700s Krause catalogues; you should be able to buy old ones quite cheaply.

A final word of warning: "popular" coin series (such as "pirate coins") are more prone to having counterfeits and replicas made than ordinary coins. Buy from reputable sources; you don't want to find yourself paying hundreds or thousands of dollars to buy a board game piece or a Disneyland replica.
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We all have to start somewhere Zeusophobia! And it's best to collect what you like. However gold coins start pricey just because of bullion value.

If you're interested in European historical coins, how about dollar size silver? They were used as currency (ie spent) and for trade (as easily transportable silver bullion). You would have a choice of British crowns, German Thalers, Spanish 8 Real ("pieces of Eight", so you still get the pirate connection!)..? See here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thaler
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I'd say that Spanish and Spanish Colonial coins should maintain their value or increase in value over time. The Spanish market is one of the biggest in Europe - you just have to see all the dealers at the big Sunday coin market on the Plaza Mayor in Madrid to believe it, and one fairly small Spanish city I know has three LCS's! There was a definite spike in collecting just before and just after the Euro came in, but my observation from visiting the country and talking to dealers and fellow collectors is that the market is still pretty solid.
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I am assuming that with zero posts, you may have limited knowledge in the area of numismatics, that you have indicated.

My assumption may be wrong.

IF my assumption is right, only buy from long established dealers with an excellent professional reputation, where they have expertise in your area of interest.

You may well pay higer prices until you have gained some expertise yourself, but if a new purchase proves to be a dud or happens to be overpriced, in the long run, you will be far better off.
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