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1980 5c Australia "Trial Coin"

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 Posted 02/09/2024  6:12 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Aaaaa to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Hi,
I am from Brisbane Australia. I was led to your site after I googled trial coins. I bought a 1980 so described trial coin (1980 5c Australia) from an Australian auction house. Apparently people in my coin forum think it is a fake. It has a negative image on both sides and is thick.I am in the process of uploading photos of ist to here. I have
Zipped them using my iPhone but one is still too big?Any comments and hints please?

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Your reply was split into its own topic and moved to the appropriate forum for the proper attention.

I also added your uploaded images to your post.
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 Posted 02/11/2024  7:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sap to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hello and welcome.

I have no idea what a "trial coin" is supposed to be in the Australian context, but if it's claiming to be some kind of trial strike (or "lead pull") from an official die, then this is certainly not one of those. A trial strike would not be incuse-mirror-image, it would look exactly like a normal coin. I suppose a "trial strike" from a hub, rather than a die, would be mirror-incuse, but they wouldn't make such an artifact two-sided, it would only be one-sided.

If it's dated 1980, then I would likewise be highly suspicious of any claims as to it being any kind of by-product from Mint testing. The 5 cent piece was not a new coin in 1980; they hadn't changed the design, dies, composition or thickness since 1966. There was therefore nothing that needed "testing" in this fashion.

If you asked me what it is you have, I would assume it's a blob of lead (or some similar metal - perhaps solder) that somebody has pressed two 5 cent pieces into. Certainly not a thing that was made in the Mint.

Did the auction house describe it in any way other than "trial coin"? I am assuming it wasn't a coin auction house, since I can't see Nobles or Roxburys selling this as some kind of Mint trial piece.
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Hi, thank you for your learned comment.
The auction house describes it as a 'lead trial error coin' ? This is a reputable, big, auction house dealing with different auctions. This specific auction was for banknotes, coins and collectables.
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It's my experience that many of the non-numismatic auction houses tend to take the vendor's word about auction descriptions of coins - they don't have expert numismatists on-hand, so don't know any better, especially for objects not readily researchable. If the vendor insisted on calling it that, then that's what the auction house will put, no further questions asked.

Lead trials - genuine lead trials, as opposed to yours - are not technically "error coins", since they were deliberately made as part of the Mint's quality control process for ensuring a new coin design's dies look the way they should. The only "error" would be allowing them to escape to the public. But a lead trial is almost always uniface - they only test one die at a time. It's done in a smaller, lower-powered press than the usual coin presses, because the whole point of making a lead pull is that the dies have not yet been fully hardened. This means the dies can be edited or changed if needed, but it also means the dies will deform and become damaged if they're put in a coin press at full strength. It's also why they use lead; it's softer and so puts less stress on the un-hardened dies.

Lead pulls of tokens or medals from private mints are much more common than lead pulls of actual coins from a government mint. Here's an ebay listing of a typical lead pull, of a Bundaberg Numismatic Society medal from the 1960s: https://www.ebay.com/itm/125013038038
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The auction house describes it as a 'lead trial error coin' ? This is a reputable, big, auction house dealing with different auctions. This specific auction was for banknotes, coins and collectables.




Interesting I would say fake,'trial coin' made by Joe Bloggs in his shed at Whoop Whoop.
Do you still have the receipt?
The fact that an Auction House has sold it creates an interesting situation as they would not risk their reputation on such a piece.

AFAIK the Oz Mints haven't used Lead for over 100 years,Resin since 1940's.

My thoughts but there are people on here that will have a better knowledge than me.
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Send it back to the auction house for a refund.
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 Posted 02/12/2024  01:53 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Aaaaa to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you everyone for your advice. Your advice and expertise are much appreciated. I will contact the auction house tomorrow.
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