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Constantius II Damaged Mint Mark Help

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Hi everyone, this is a zoomed in shot of the mint mark of a constantius II coin that I am having a hard time IDing. The mint mark looks to be H(?)M(?)(?). Any guesses based upon this or the image? Any help would be appreciated! Thanks!



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What is the reverse type?
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could you post a pic of entire coin, both sides ple ASE
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Certainly, I can post the entire reverse (Sorry to say that I only have a smaller, pre-cleaning pic of the obverse- it is now soaking in peroxide). So you can see that this is a reverse which features a soldier spearing a fallen horseman.
Thanks for all of the help!



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Unfortunately were going to need a bit more info

Could you tell me the diameter of the coim in mms?

Also I read the legend as 'DN CONSTAN...' does it look like the legend breaks after the 'N' or can you see a 'T'?

Finally - does the legend end in '...AVG', '...NOB C' or '...CAES'?

Hopefully the above will help narrow our options down somewhat.
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bobbyhelmet- Thanks for the input! I actually can not detect a T after the N, but the obverse legend very clearly ends in AVG. So am I not correct in assuming that this is constantius II?
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An ending of "AVG" could be Constantius II or Constans. It all will depend on what if anything is after the "CONSTAN"

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Your correct Archraz - it is Constantius II.

DN CONSTAN-TIVS PF AVG obverse - 99% certain

Pearl-diademed, draped, cuirassed bust - 99% certain

Unfortunately we still have about 1400 coins and 15 mints to choose from! Size should allow us to take a few more out though.
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bobbyhelmet- Ah, good to know that I was right regarding emperor. It is about 12mm in diameter. Do the couple of discernable letters not help to narrow it down? After all, that M is very clear, and obviously part of the mint mark rather than the workshop mark.
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An ending of "AVG" could be Constantius II or Constans


I thought this too but I can only find 'CONSTA-NS' breaks for Constans
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Do the couple of discernable letters not help to narrow it down?


At present no - too many possibilities sadly, none of these mintmarks start with a 'H' so that must be wrong, quite a few have 'M' near the middle.

12mm is very small!, you sure its not 17?
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Any Constans FH will be 20mm or more since he died before they got that small. I can not read the mintmark but it is 100% Constantius II. You will rarely go wrong assuming a FH is not Constans. They are not at all common.
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I think if you cleaned it up a bit you can attribute it but so far I cant make anything out of the reverse picture.
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bobbyhelmet- Oh, sorry, that was a typo. I meant 17mm. part of the problem with the image of the reverse is that it did not turn out well in the scan. It looks much better in hand. But at least the Mint mark is somewhat clear (almost clearer than in hand) in my images.
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OK - If we accept that the mintmark def has an M in it we are down to about 125 possible coins. I also think you have nothing in the left field on the reverse so we are prob down to about 50 coins.

The basic mintmark combinations we are looking for are as follows:

RMT star or R.M.T. - Rome
ASISM - Siscia
SMTSA - Thessalonica
SMHA - Heraclea
SMKA - Cyzicus
SMNA - Nicomedia

Workshops in bold - I'll look again in a bit as I'm becoming blind to it - maybe a fresh set of eyes could help.

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bobbyhelmet- Actually there is an "M" in the field above the guy being stabbed and to the left of the stabber. As, I said, there is a world of difference between the scan and the coin when in hand. The odd, uneven coloring and some peeling of the surfaces have yielded very nebulous scans from my old printer/scanner.
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