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1954-D Jefferson: Rim Clip Or PMD?

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What do you think of this one, and how do you tell if a coin has a rim clip or some PMD?

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Looks like someone dragged the edge on the sidewalk. PMD in my opinion.
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I just found some rim damage on the area opposite the area in the picture. So, yes, PMD. However, how does one tell, in general, from a real rim clip and PMD?
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I've always wondered about clipped planchets too. Seems like with the right equipment, they could be easily reproduced. What distinguishes a true clipped planchet from PMD?
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If you know the diagnostics of a genuine incomplete(clipped) planchet, you will never get fooled by a garage job. An incomplete planchet is created when the metal stock is not advanced far enough when blanks are being punched out or the blank punch overlaps the edge/end of the metal stock sheet(straight or ragged clip). Hence, the proper term is "incomplete planchet" since nothing is actually clipped.

After a blank is punched out, it is run through an upsetting mill that forms the initial protorim. The blanks are force-spun through a slightly narrowing channel which upturns the rim. Since the process works via opposable forces, an incomplete planchet will not have an upturned rim directly opposite the side of the clip. This weakness is known as the Blakesley Effect and it cannot be duplicated on a garage job. If the clip is fairly small, the Blakesely Effect may not be visible so you will need to rely on the other diagnostics.

Another diagnostic is a tapering at the site of the clip. A planchet is slightly smaller in diameter than the resultant coin and when it is struck, the planchet spreads out until confined by the collar. This metal flow will usually give the clip a slight tapering appearance. Instead of a vertical cut, it is more of a sideways you or V shape. Another diagnostic directly resulting from the striking process is that the peripheral devices will be weak and details will flow towards the clip. Instead of the planchet metal vertically filling the voids of the die, the metal has a tendency to flow outward which results in the peripheral weakness at the site of the clip. The Kennedy half dollar pictured below displays all three diagnostics.



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photo credit: Tim Stroud
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awesome explanation, thanks! I understood how they happened, just never fully grasped the effects.
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Here's my double-clip dime, which shows a weak Blakesley effect (because of the small size of the clips - though it's pretty clear on the reverse) but shows the metal-flow effect really clearly.

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