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Please Grade A Dateless Standing Liberty Quarter

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I read somewhere in a topic here on CCF that you can somewhat determine the date on a dateless Standing Liberty quarter?
If it's true, could someone determine the date on this coin?
And is this gradable with no date? Or is this just worth the BV?



Standing Liberty Quarter 1916/30?
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 Posted 10/20/2011  2:17 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add matthewpj73 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
There's no clear markers that I can see that would let us know what date this quarter is. I can tell you it is NOT a 1916. Other than that I think it could be any other year, 1917-1930. IMO the grade would be 1/70 on the Sheldon scale, and the value would be around $8-9.
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I agree with the PO-1 grade. This young lady has done her share for the US treasury!

I also think we might be able to nail down the date a little more. I believe this is a non-recessed date which makes it a Type II minted from 1917-1924.

But in my book, ANY Standing Liberty quarter is a good one!
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po-1.....only thnig tellable is that's it's type 2 or 3
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It's extremely worn, I agree it would grade 1/70. Even at this level of wear the recessed date quarters will show some semblance of a date. So the coin is 1917-1924. There are some diagnostics to determine certain dates within that range, but it's usually even more difficult than separating a 1916 from a 1917 and there is absolutely no way anyone could do it with this amount of wear. It's usually only possible on those few SLQs from 17-24, that are VG or even F details, but despite that have completely lost their date. I'm not sure if I've ever seen a VF with the date completely gone

edit...to say that I've seen G-4 dateless SLQs have a numismatic premium and sometimes type1 coins in worse condition, but this coin would only sell for spot. Which is actually a premium if you think about it because at this level of wear it's lost quite a bit of silver content. It's worth about $5.50 currently
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I don't think you can grade a coin that has no date and no way to determine it's date. It's worth it's silver value only. I honestly would not pay spot for it. To me it has no collector value.
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Looks like I can barely make out a "1927" date, mostly the final "7". Is it just me being delusional, or what?
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I don't see any date.
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The example on PCGSPhotograde that is graded PO01 is very slightly better than this one.
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I have a true dateless 1916 Standing Liberty quarter that I just inherited. Where is the best place to have it graded?
Thank you.
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With no date, it is a no grade. To be a PR-01 it must be identifiable as to variety and date. Many of the early large cents could be indentified by the variety without a visible date. With no date this piece can't be identified.
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Sweet coin tho think of how many pockets it's been in and out of. Thanks for sharin
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I'm not sure but I think you can bring up the date on this with vinegar and or hydrogen peroxide . Still would not be much more than melt.
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A 1916 slq can be identified without a date. Show us a pic.
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...and don't do vinegar/peroxide.
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I have a true dateless 1916 Standing Liberty quarter that I just inherited. Where is the best place to have it graded?
Thank you.


I suppose that either NGC or PCGS would grade it, but my gut tells me NGC. It's been my experience that they are better at attributing varieties than PCGS.

Revised to say that I just checked "Coin Facts" the PCGS information center. They have pictures of dateless 1916 Standing Liberty quarters in FR-02 with no dates showing.

The trick is to look at the design of lower bottom folds of the gown on the left side. I don't have a photographic image of it in my memeory, but there are photos out there of the proper shapes.

BTW there is no way that this piece is a 1916, It is a Type II or III with three stars under the eagle on the reverse.
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