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Here is a very VERY suspicious coin which is attracting some serious bidding. In the scan it looks very good, but it has been recently copied by the Chinese and they are making them in full weight silver. I see some obvious problems on the scan but the biggest problems are with his other items. Several of them are obvious fakes. http://rover.ebay.com/rover/1/711-1...717176&mpre=http://cgi.ebay.com/1795-Draped-Bust-Dollar-XF-40_W0QQitemZ 120067542733 |
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Forum Dad
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Forum Dad
United States
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OK, the images on the left are from an NGC coin, the right is from the auction in question.... Click the photos to enlarge....  Hmmmmmm..... Something looks rotten.... |
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Pillar of the Community
 United States
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There are two types of Dollar coins made in 1795 - both types are actually correct. The problem with the ebay coin is that it is made from a pair of cast transfer dies. There are pits and lumps that look wrong and the edge of the coin where the dentiles blend into the edge is wrong in a couple places. |
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Forum Dad
United States
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You mean I spent 6 whole minutes of my life on those nifty side-by-side pics for nothing?  And here I thought I was being slick.  |
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Forum Dad
United States
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Oh man, looks a whole lot like the first one on that page.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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It certainly does - doesn't it! But it is not a PERFECT match. I just placed the two side by side and did a point by point analysis and both copy the same exemplar but these are two different die pairs.
I absolutely believe it is a counterfeit and if I only had a better scan of my copy (which is in the bank, I could prove it).
Anyway, I would be willing to bet that the buyer will soon have buyer's remorse. That is unless he puts it away for a future sale.
Edited by swamperbob
12/24/2006 12:06 am
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Don't bother. It's probably a Chinese seller that only registered in the US. If you looked at his dealings, most are with the Chinese sellers. What is even more ironic is his design of the listing is extremely typical of what Chinese counterfeit sellers do.
Bold RED font text and the crazy EMS shipping. Right.
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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The "E" is where the "B" is at on the swamperbob coin but to tell the truth I am not sure either is the real thing
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quote:
Originally posted by gxseries
Don't bother. It's probably a Chinese seller that only registered in the US. If you looked at his dealings, most are with the Chinese sellers. What is even more ironic is his design of the listing is extremely typical of what Chinese counterfeit sellers do.
Bold RED font text and the crazy EMS shipping. Right.
You got it, gxseries. Take a look at the feedback, it's pretty funny. Everything this seller sold went for 99 cents, and everything they purchased was also for 99 cents and from China. Counterfeit or not, often they just steal the pics of real coins from other sites. You have to be so careful on ebay these days. Edited by hadleydog
12/24/2006 04:52 am
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Although the seller has this to say:
"All of our coins are 100% guaranteed to be authentic and we offer refunds on all our items within 14 days,please view the return policy."
I'm having a HUGE problem with the eagle on the reverse... it just does'nt look right...
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Valued Member
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Towards the bottom of the page it states seller charges sales tax to WV residents. Item location says Arizona.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Bryan, We always talk about counterfeit dollars but not much about other coins. Because the draped bust coin is being used here could it also be said that the draped bust Half Cent and large cent could be made in counterfeit also ?I have never heard of a counterfeit half of large cent but are they out there ? I do not buy on e-bay but for that kind of money I think I would won't the coin from a top TPG. BRUCE. |
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agreed about the TPG thing Bruce. Anyone who thinks the eagle looks (as to why I don not know) a bit like a turkey say "AYE" |
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Pillar of the Community
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Hi Bruce - the Half Cent and Large Cents were in fact counterfeited but the contemporary circulating counterfeits are rather RARE and valuable. One example that I like to get people going on is the 1795 Jefferson head Cent. Was it a sanctioned issue or a counterfeit? How about the "1804 Restrike". Was that a counterfeit or not? The modern copies (numismatic Forgeries) and alterations are much more prevalent and worth a LOT LESS. The 1799 immediately comes to mind. I do not know of any denomination of US coin that has NOT been forged. I have two great forged 3 cent silver coins that I love - both contemporaries made from hand engraved dies. I have seen everything but a $4 gold coin in person. But even on the Stella, I have seen pictures of a wonderful counterfeit. As a rule of thumb, it is essential that you KNOW who you are buying from and WHAT you are buying. Until you know your series - relying on TPGs is the best you can do. |
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Posted 12/23/2006 11:19 pm
