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 Posted 10/23/2011  6:40 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Westwood Arms to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
The coin in question is a Mexico 1854 1 Real Go PF/M KM 372.6. I assume it is the large eagle variety. The size of the planchet seems way off.

The 1854 1R measures 21mm diameter, about 0.75 mm thick, across the eagle wing to wing is 13 mm, it weighs 3.27 gm, no SG on something this size. The edge looks OK

Compared to another 1R in similiar condition. A 1863/2 Mo CH KM 372.8 is 19mm diameter, 1mm thick, across the eagle wing to wing is 11.3mm, weight is 3.37 gm.

Any ideas would greatly be greatly appreciated.

Date side of coin in question:


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Eagle side of large planchet coin:


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Two 1Rs side by side:


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Larger coin on left with known genuine 1R


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 Posted 10/23/2011  6:59 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add rexvictor to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hi Westwood Arms,

I see no reason to doubt the authenticity of this coin. This may not be a good comparison, but I have an unquestionably real Bolivian 2 reales of 1770 that is on a very large planchet, probably 2 mm bigger than the specs say. Since the weight of both our pieces is within their typical range, that's much more important than the physical size. Enjoy your real Reales!
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10/23/2011 7:00 pm
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 Posted 10/24/2011  8:16 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add swamperbob to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Westwood Arms The coin in question uses the correct design for the particular year. When I first encountered the type (in a picture) I thought it might be a fake - but after examining several with the same design in person - I can see no reason to doubt it is an original design.

Size especially in the minor denominations varies mint to mint and year to year - so the size as specified is within what I consider "normal" range and the weight as stated is also within allowable limits for a 1R worn to this degree (AG3).

For those interested in History of coinage it should be noted that the mints (especially the leasehold mints associated with mines were FORCED to produce a certain percentage of minor coins. The real money (no pun intended) was in the 8Rs made for export. The mint workers were also paid on total output not NUMBERS struck so there was little incentive for anyone to make minor denominations.

The half, one and two reales denominations were produced primarily for and were used in the local market place (in Mexico itself). They were NOT primarily export coins and they were certainly not viewed as bullion issues like the 8R (and to a lesser extent the 4R). They were used in commerce until worn to a degree that would have been unacceptable for trade purposes in a place like Boston or New York. That is a reason so many of the "tiny" coins are common in Good but rare in EF. A similar situation pertains to decimal issues which were used until worn almost beyond recognition.
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