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Hi 10xloupe,
These are interesting coins--I have a few myself but always question the authenticity. It's relatively easy to find this exact coin and this condition is typical. They seem to go for about $30 these days, assuming they are real, though the questionable (fake) ones seem to bring good money too.
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Guangxu Era Canton/Guangdong coin, which means it was struck sometime between 1889 when they first started to 1908 - the end of his reign. No alarms ringing immediately about its authenticity - especially as it looks this has seen circulation before. A piece in this condition would be around $80 to $120 roughly. The silver content alone (as I remember) is around .77oz, like Mexican/US silver dollars?
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7.2 Candareens=10 cents.
Looks like KM#200 ND(1890-1908), .0712 asw. $1 VG, $2 F, $4 VF.
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Sorry, wd1040, I think you this confused with the crown sized coins with the .77 ASW. DCH has it right, although the catalog values are trailing the (overheated?) Chinese coin market these days. I'm sure it's at least a $20 coin.
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ah - my mistake! I thought it actually was 7 mace and 2 cad...
Are the smaller coins getting this high of a premium these days? Haven't seen a lot of them on the market for the while.
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In the past month on ebay, they've sold between $15 - $35 in average grades. I thought there would be dozens sold in this period, but it seems they are somewhat uncommon. The higher prices are bringing them out of the woodwork, I think. I really like my Kwangtung 1 mace 4.4 candareens--the toning (and cleaning) really makes the dragon pop! It looks better in person than this photo. Hopefully it is real...   Edited by rexvictor
10/30/2011 12:52 am
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Thought I'd share a pic of their little brother, too, the half-dime sized 3.6 candareens. I believe this is more rare than the dime and 20-cent coins, and I'm pretty certain my coin is genuine:   |
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Kwangtung silver dragon coins are still easy to find including the crown size coin except it will cost you a lot. The only exception is the half dollar size coin which is pretty scarce in any condition. This generally applies to all other provinces except Yunnan. Here are mine:    Funny enough, I thought I had one 3.6 candareens Kwangtung coin but it looks like I don't. My partial coin collection http://www.omnicoin.com/collection/gxseriesMy numismatics articles and collection: http://www.gxseries.com/numis/numis_index.htmRegularly updated at least once a month. |
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Impressive coins, gxseries! I've checked out your website before, so I already know you are very knowledgeable about these coins.
From its appearance in this photo, I'd be very cautious of the 7 mace 2 candareens. Its appearance suggests a very dull luster and a non-silvery look. Is this a common look for this coin? I'm not questioning its authenticity--I would simply hope to learn from your expertise!
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Have to add that the order of finding the easiest coin denomination wise would be as follows:
20 cents
10 cents
5 cents
dollar
50 cents
This generally applies to most provinces except Yunnan which would probably be as the following
50 cents
20 cents
10 cents
5 cents
dollar
Pretty much in reverse.
My partial coin collection http://www.omnicoin.com/collection/gxseriesMy numismatics articles and collection: http://www.gxseries.com/numis/numis_index.htmRegularly updated at least once a month. |
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Do you guys have an appropriate weight so I can verify its authenticity. My little sister (12 years old) got it for $0.50  Sure looks real and has quite good toning. |
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2.7g is what Krause says.
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rexvictor: the color isn't quite well shown in the photo - just poor photography. As I photograph hundreds of coins, sometimes I don't shoot it with the right color.
The thing about counterfeits is, you can't quite tell with photographs these days. Of course, you should be able to tell with poor quality counterfeits. The worst thing about high quality counterfeits is whatever you know used to diagnose what a counterfeit coin is will be shake one up completely and you have to be prepared mentally to be stung. Weight, SG test, diameter etc will not cut it these days because these can be easily manipulated. Worse still, quality control from the Chinese back in the early days were not the best, so weight test is only an 'indication' at best. Just because it's off by 0.2-0.3g can still mean that it is genuine.
So far, counterfeiters have trouble replicating the edge of the coin which I can only explain by the 'hardness' of the edge. A counterfeit coin would have a sharper edge. Everything else is pretty much perfected which is a rather horrifying thought. Just to note how serious the level of counterfeit in China, even a Chinese 1 yuan coin (mere 12 US cents) is counterfeited so anything else above that is worth counterfeiting, which is pretty much everything.
One's best tool is to still buy a catalog and refuse to buy any counterfeits - that's the worst insult to a counterfeiter. Another important thing is to forge a relationship with your coin dealer - it's hard to believe that a counterfeiter will want to spend time to develop such relationship as he / she would want to pack up and run away when get caught. But on the other hand, even unauthorized apple products & stores appear in Yunnan... C'est la vie.
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It weighs 2.6 grams. I don't think the guy I bought it off would, if it fake, sell it deliberately as one. He sold me high grade old silver coins at $0.25 a piece and he is a close friend of our family, so I don't think he would want us to buy fake coins .
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Thanks for the info, gxseries! I wish I had more opportunities to see genuine Chinese imperial coins in person so as to gain a better understanding of their appearance.
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