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If you've seen an old Whitman blue folder, they put rows of glue on the paper, then applied it to the codbod with the punched holes. Coins, especially silver, from these folders often have tarnish stripes on the reverses.

Newer folders have the glue on the codbod, which is then put on the paper.

Shore Line (Lester, PA) made folders, too. Their #1229, © 1963, held Roosevelt Head Dimes/, with eight holes after the last date, 1963D.

They did Whitman one better. They changed the part they glued, but the back flap says "New Polyethelene coating minimizes tarnish". Now coins didn't tarnish from glue or paper!
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 Posted 11/02/2011  08:55 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Granite to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I've got a partial Mercury dime collection from back when I was a kid that is in an old Whitman blue folder. I wonder what the backs of my coins will look likeif I start pulling them out.
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That is all fine and dandy, but you still cannot see the backside of the coin when it is in a folder.
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I have a complete set of Walker halves that was stored in a blue folder and most of the backs of them have the dark stripes. I switched them out into 2X2, and will eventually put them in a Dansco, but unlike the folder, Dansco now shows the backs of them. Not too bad just kind of annoying since the front of th coins still look fairly nice (most of them would grade around VG-F or so...I am not sure what the tarnishing does to the value or grade though...)
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How does that tarnish/toning striping affect the value or the grade? How would sombody like PCGS handle it if the details and such were lets say F on both sides but it had the stripes on the back?
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Newer folders have the glue on the codbod, which is then put on the paper.

Interesting. Just where did you find this out? Changning the entire process in making Folders would have to be redone from the start. Hugh rolls of the dyed blue paper are run off and spread out on tables where the glue was applied. I saw many of those types of processes. To change this system to gluing the slotted holed cardboard would make a mess with the glue running out of the slots. Being a person that has seen these processes, I'd like to know where this new system is stated. And with Harris now owning Whitman, Harris, USMint products, such changes would be massive. Not allowing the glue to get into the slots too would be a separate massive process. And I just saw a new Whitman Folder and the rear of the slots was as shinny as ever and that is the glue, not shinny paper.

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That is all fine and dandy, but you still cannot see the backside of the coin when it is in a folder.

So true but also think about all the Thumb prints from pushing those coins into those slots. I knew a person that used a rubber malet for that. The reason for that is that the slots are made tapered so that the top is smaller than the bottom or the part facing the paper. That is why they almost snap into place once you get the coin past the top.
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So true but also think about all the Thumb prints from pushing those coins into those slots.
I always used a towel to press my in. Then, looking back, I have to wonder if that towel was clean or if the material would have scratched the coins.
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so...does anybody know how the companies like PCGS or the overall general consensus look at that type of toning/tarnishing? Does it get a "details" grade or not? How much it affect the value?
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The tarnish doesn't usually affect the grade, but it might affect the amount you can sell it for if it detracts from the eye appeal.
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The shiny part is prolly a coating, perhaps like shore line's poly.

I just observed the results. There are a couple ways the glue could be applied. You're right, if it was sprayed on, there would be a problem with the holes, unless the codbod was punched, then glued, then the holes pushed out before the paper backing was put on.

If the glue was rolled on, it simply wouldn't stick where there was a hole. This would be very similar to how a waxer for manual cut and paste works.
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How tarnish affects things: It shouldn't affect the grade, but depending on how ugly it is, might affect the value.

Obverse folder-caused toning will be letters and numbers, not stripes, caused by the ink on the fold-in flap.
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Thanks for the info. The halves only have the toning stripes on the back, but I do have an old album with Mercury dimes and some of the coins that were facing the fold-in page do have the toned letters on the obverse. Luckily not too many of them had it because that is pretty detrimental to the eye appeal of the coin (the toned stripes on the back of the halves doesn't detract too much from the overall eye appeal in my opinion)
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