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"Resplandores" Major Varieties: What Does This Truly Mean?

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 Posted 11/02/2011  7:35 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add rexvictor to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Hello everybody,

I would really appreciate some help with the definition of "major varieties." Dunigan and Parker use this term in "Resplandores" to describe some features of the Republic of Mexico eight reales, and it is unclear to me what design changes qualify for this distinction. Let me give an example: if an 8R were to have three dots after the assayer (like many Guanajuato coins of the 1830s) instead of the typical period, would this be a major variety assuming the normal period also existed for that year?

I don't believe such a variety is discussed anywhere in their catalog, yet such coins do exist. Is it to be assumed that these varieties were unknown to D&P, or do they not qualify as "major"? Thanks for any help!
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 Posted 11/02/2011  11:49 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add swamperbob to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The variations you are referring to are considered to be minor varieties by most 8R collectors. This is simply because there are TOO MANY OF THEM.

Major varieties are usually those involving OVERDATES, OVER-ASSAYERS and mint mark Variations. A miss-spelled legend would also qualify even if it was corrected. I tend to relegate HUB overdates to the minor category as well, but that is a personal preference.

Recut or repunched numerals are usually considered minor unless they are over INVERTED or sideways letters/numbers. Things like the Star at the beginning of the legend - punctuation etc. vary in the period before hubs were widely used and few collectors specialize in these varieties.

Spacings - changes of letter font - orientation - and variations in other elements are usually considered as minor - only because they are so very numerous.

Some people including Dunigan make note of "starburst" clashes. Those belong to a category of die damage that is popular but not terribly rare.

The range of variation in dies greatly reduced when hubbed dies were introduced. For that reason more of the minor type variations get attention in the Second Republic era. The advent of hubbed dies also began the era of double and triple hubbed dies. In my 50 plus years of working on this series I have seen dozens of double hubbed dies - virtually NO ONE pays much attention.

OH - and forget edge varieties. Almost no one even looks. I find the edges fascinating but the numerous errors add NO value except in the mind of the specialist.

In the early years of the First republic issues even the number of RAYS on the cap can vary at some mints. It would certainly be a monumental piece of work to document each and every variation of these dies. I believe that such a project is essentially impossible for any one person. I know several individuals who tried to complete such a project for just one mint - all without success.

So just enjoy the series - document EVERY facet of each coin. It is a wonderful pass time activity.

If you focus on $ value you will likely be disappointed.
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 Posted 11/03/2011  11:03 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add rexvictor to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks, Swamperbob! This really helps.

I understand that the "major" varieties include those items you mentioned, however I would hope that as even more studies are published on the "Resplandores" series that other design elements are considered "major" in accordance with the special circumstances of Mexican coinage during this period. At the heart of it is the unique situation that the republic had fourteen mints--an unequalled number in modern times, as far I know! This must be increasingly considered in the definition of what constitutes a major die variation.

I would like to see an investigation of the sharing of dies/styles/punch elements between mints. Of course this became "de facto" post standardization, however with the economic, geographic, and family ties between the mints, I feel it is a very important to examine the factors that tie together the different mints and their coins. Along the ~350 miles that separate Zacatecas from Mexico City, one may have stopped along the way at San Luis (Potosi), Guanajuato, and Tlalpan in the late 1820s! This was a remarkable concentration of facilities each of which produced distinctive coins.
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rexvictor

I would also love to see more publications on the varieties of the cap & rays or at least a update to Resplandores in the future.

Just imagine if something akin to a list of the Morgan dollar VAM's were to be attempted on Mexican cap & rays! NOW that would be a massive undertaking!

As of right now I believe that overall a lower demand or popularity in this series is what limits the resources that are available to us but on the plus side that is exactly the reason why we can still purchase 8R's at a decent price.

For the meantime let's continue to share info and many thanks to swamperbob and all you cap & rays lovers!

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