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 Posted 11/16/2011  3:38 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add coincrazyy to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Hello everyone!

I was interested in hearing some feedback on how collectable The America the Beautiful Quarter Series Cancelled Quarter Rolls will be in the future? I see you can buy these cancelled, double, or triple canceled rolls on ebay for about 2x face value of the roll. Is it possible to send a few of these coins into the grading companies to have them graded?

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 Posted 11/16/2011  3:55 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add eaglefoot to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'm not sure how "popular" having cancelled rolls of the ATB's are.
But I do not think they will be as popular as the 2009 Lincoln Cent rolls were.

Folks showed up in droves to get their rolls at these opening ceremonies and rushed right down to the post office afterwards for the stamp & cancel.

I'm sure this is still happening a little bit for the ATB's, but this new quarter series isn't as popular as the Lincoln Cent ......not by a LONG shot ! .....
And I don't think the ATB's are even as popular as the State Quarter series was either, for that matter.

So......demand ?.....desirability in the marketplace ?.... future value ?.......
Well no one knows for sure, but my expectations would be on the "low" side.

As far as the "grading/slabbing"........I couldn't speak on that.
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 Posted 11/16/2011  6:20 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bpoc1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'm not sure what ATB's Cancelled rolls are? I know the banks in my area do not order ATB's. Please explain.
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 Posted 11/16/2011  7:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add nickelsearcher to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
... I've never heard the term 'canceled rolls' ... what does this mean?

Educate me.

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 Posted 11/17/2011  02:54 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coincrazyy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for the feedback eaglefoot.

The rolls of quarters I'm talking about are some of the very first coins to be minted in that style. Take a look on ebay... They are purchased at the event ceremony then stamped with special stamps to prove forever that they where purchased at the ceremony event. Sense they are BU and some of the very first to be minted, there is a high chance you could score some MS60's or even MS70's out of the rolls.

I'm somewhat new to this find as well so I'm sure someone with more experience could jump in and give there definition and or opinion about these coins. I hope anyway...

What do you say guys and gals! Anyone else find these collectable?
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 Posted 11/17/2011  03:19 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Fuzzy317 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
If the coins were stamped after issue my the mint, that's called "counterstamped", and its considered PMD. They may bring a small premium to some people, but to most collectors they are considered damaged.
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I believe the outside roll is stamped, not the individual quarters themselves.
I've read about a few opening ceremony's and always wondered what they were referring to when stamps were mentioned. I just figured they were special mailing stamps. Added to the ceremony to reach a broader base of collectors. lol
Thanks thats pretty interesting, will have to check them out.
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Nickelsearcher, Fuzzy, etc........

"Stamped & Cancelled" ....has been around for a long time.
It's not new.
The First Day Coin Covers of the 50 State Qtrs. are "stamped & cancelled".
Same as the Presidential dollar F.D.C.C.'s.

Having coin or currency "stamped & cancelled" by the post office on the first day of issue, was even done in my Grandfathers time, and HIS father too.

Once you attend an opening day ceremony, you then go down to the post office where they'll put a stamp on it and "ink" cancel the stamp. This has the date as well.
Then you know that these were among the first in the country to be released.

Nice premiums were seen in 2009 for the four different Lincoln Cent design opening ceremonies around the country. Attendance was HUGE to acquire these rolls and then run down to the post office for the "stamp & cancel". ebay saw a lot of action on these.
The rolls are not opened....they remain collectible as they are, and most even got a Lincoln stamp on the rolls too I believe.
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 Posted 11/17/2011  12:27 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add biokemist6 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
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IMO, it would be a waste of money to bust open a roll and submit some for grading. The cancelled roll itself has a guaranteed premium that would be lost when the roll is broken. Just because the coins are true First Day of Issue examples, there is absolutely no guarantee of Very Early Die State or high grade examples.
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 Posted 11/17/2011  9:15 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Fuzzy317 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I have 6 of those "Stamped & Cancelled" $2 Bills.
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When the Mint does a launch ceremony are the rolls sold actually the first coins off the dies or just the first coins sold to the public? If the Mint doesn't have a good "first -in-first-out" inventory control system the first rolls sold to the public could be from dies with thousands of strikes.
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are the rolls sold actually the first coins off the dies or just the first coins sold to the public? If the Mint doesn't have a good "first -in-first-out" inventory control system the first rolls sold to the public could be from dies with thousands of strikes.




Exactly......and that's the problem many have with the whole "Early Release" or "First Strike" labels on slabs and such.

But no, these "rolls" are just among the first "released".....not among the first "minted".....

Strike quality is the only way to tell which were actually "first" or "early".
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 Posted 11/18/2011  02:17 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coincrazyy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks again for the input everyone.

So I guess my next question is... What is the difference between cancelled rolls from the U.S. mint, vs cancelled rolls from the release ceremony? If neither of these would be considered "First Strike" or "Early Release" what is? Instead of posting a link to an active auction, I will simply quote the description.

FIRST DAY ISSUE US MINT QUARTER ROLL SET

CANCELLED ON JUNE 1 , 2010 THE OFFICIAL RELEASE DATE

THE OFFICIAL US MINT CEREMONY WAS ON JUNE 3 ,2010 SO THE CEREMONY

WAS HELD 2 DAYS AFTER THE RELEASE DATE

THE TWO ROLLS ARE SEALED & UNOPENED, THEY WILL BE PLACED IN OPEN

US MINT BOX THAT WAS CANCELLED WHICH THEY CAME FROM

THE DATE ON THE BOX IS 05/11/10

2010 Yellowstone National Park Quarter Two-Roll Set (YW1) , The Yellowstone National Park quarter is the second of 2010 and the second overall in the America the Beautiful Quarters™ Program. Each two-roll set consists of 80 quarters: one roll of 40 coins with the "P" mint mark for Philadelphia and one roll of 40 coins with the "D" mint mark for Denver.
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I found the auction in your recent post. I don't know

EDIT - not saying this is what happened, but I could buy a roll of coins and print whatever I wanted on the outside.
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What is the difference between cancelled rolls from the U.S. mint, vs cancelled rolls from the release ceremony?

The US Mint has never had anything to do with the cancellation, it is a postal cancellation done by the USPS. I attended two of the release ceremonies in Springfield, IL for the Lincoln cents. The US Mint in conjunction with a local bank was selling the rolls for face value on the grounds of the Old State Capitol. Once you had the rolls, you had to go to a designated local post office where the USPS had a table set up and a clerk was hand-cancelling the rolls with the stipulation that the roll have 44 cents worth of stamps on it for the cancellation(they had to get their cut of the action too). Those particular stamps were created specifically for the Springfield post office and the cancellation was not available any other way. When you see a post mark with "XXXX Station" and a zip code, that is an indication it is an official USPS cancellation stamp.
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Thanks for the information and pictures Biokemist. The historical significance of having the rolls with the Springfield, IL cancellation would be a treasure. Did they have rolls from the different Mints? How did you find out about this event?
My confusion with the original post was the term, " ATB Quarter cancelled rolls."
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