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Yanked The Rug Out From Under Silver An Gold Once Again....

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 Posted 11/17/2011  1:40 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Silverhawk74 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
So, here we go again major pullback down close to 1700 hundred for gold and silver is hangin in the mid 31 dollar range, for now....

I was expecting gold to breach 1800 and silver 36 dollars before the pullback perhaps, if not higher. But it looks like for now anyway G & S are tankin it for the rest of the year heading towards the holidays....

Is this the mess in Europe something new, any thoughts?

I sold that set of 10 Liberia's world's smallest gold coins when gold got close to $1800, for a price of $425 dollars. I did not make much if any, but real happy to square up some bills that had to be paid. Looks like the rest of my gold is safe the rest of the year, as it is gonna take a big climb before I sell anymore eh. Plus with possible pullbacks looming, I am gonna start buying gold seriously soon when cash allows. More in gold eagles an half sovereigns this time. Only high grade sought after items, or half Indians or eagles....
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 Posted 11/17/2011  2:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add west- canuk to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It's a crappy cold snowy day outside, think I'll have to go buy some silver to get over my cabin fever.
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 Posted 11/17/2011  2:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add yuengling101 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I checked silver prices twice today and both times it dropped a dollar, if it hits $30 I'm buying another $1000 worth.
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 Posted 11/17/2011  2:57 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Silverhawk74 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Silver hits 30 an oz., dare I say a bit less, I say buy buy buy if you can, great plan guys. And it will be interesting to see how long this little buying window stays open....
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 Posted 11/17/2011  4:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mmerlinn to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Silver has broken its short term uptrend with a 7% dump from yesterday. Likely to go to 30 or maybe even to 26, though I would be surprised at 26.

Gold, although down 3% from yesterday, has NOT broken its short term uptrend. Likely will not go below 1700, though if it does, watch out for 1600 or lower.
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 Posted 11/17/2011  4:59 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SpringCypress to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Silver and Gold are the new House Flippers who were the new Tech Stocks. I'm expecting the same thing to happen to silver and gold that happened to the rest. I have no idea when it'll happen, but I fully expect silver to be at $15 within 2 years...

That would be a great thread...
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Yes gold would need to drop way below 1700 to really trigger a gold window, but 26 dollar silver would be a real bargain....

And 15 dollar silver in two years, I would be shocked to see that. Spring Cypress you have any real hard evidence to point toward that theory?

Using other commodities or the housing market or land for example is like comparing apples an oranges as far as I am concerned.....
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 Posted 11/17/2011  6:16 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SpringCypress to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
the metal has an intrinsic value based upon use / need. Once you go past that point you enter into speculation. IMO and I'm no expert but precious metals are in a bubble created by volatility in the housing / stock market. The difference is that both the housing and stock market are production based (a good is being created).

The use / need of silver and gold has been and always will primarily be a hedge against inflation. Any price appreciation above and beyond that inflation rate is speculation.

This is all just IMHO...
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but I fully expect silver to be at $15 within 2 years...



IK would be if that were to happen. The locals would be dumping in a panic and I would be right there to offer the dealer a small premium over what he paid. I would be buying "junk" classic U.S. silver coin only as that is what I like the most when it comes to silver.
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 Posted 11/17/2011  6:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Silverhawk74 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
"the metal has an intrinsic value based upon use / need"

We all know gold is needed primarily as all the world is well aware that it is much safer to tie up their net worth in it, as opposed to dying paper money, and not just the dollar. Based on much history going too far back to debate, as we cover this subject here often....

And as far as silver, if you really start to read and research, you will see it has much more practical applications then you could ever imagine. It flows currency better then gold. Rear window defrosting technology has one oz. of non recyclable silver in its design for the currency factor. It is sprain on some clothing which allows the material to breathe better and cooler. The medical field has many needs for it. Drop a silver dollar in a barrel of milk like in the old days, and it stops the bacteria from being able to reproduce, hence in essence killing it off all together. Ships would do that years ago, place a silver coin in the water supply. Very high tech top secret weapon projects require the use of silver. Even baby drops once had silver in them seems like. I could go on all day, but you all know what I say is true, an I am sure many of you could name many more examples....

No silver is gonna be needed more an more as we go into the future, and no way does it loose its value to 15 bucks, and never take off again IMHO....
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 Posted 11/17/2011  6:52 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add johnjm22 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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The use / need of silver and gold has been and always will primarily be a hedge against inflation. Any price appreciation above and beyond that inflation rate is speculation.


So you don't think there's going to be any inflation?

Historically, Gold & Silver go up against currencies that have NEGATIVE REAL INTEREST RATES. Until you can actually get a return on cash, I think precious metals will likely perform well because they're being used as a store of wealth.

Also, PMs haven't even reached their inflation adjusted all time highs yet.

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 Posted 11/17/2011  7:06 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add JSH to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I agree with springcypress. Yes, silver has many industrial uses. It has more industrial uses than gold in fact. However, I believe that the price of silver parted ways with the supply / demand cycle of industrial use about mid-2010. The bull market that took silver from $18 in July-2010 to $50 in May-2010 was driven by fear of a currency collapse. When the economy gets better, silver will drop like a stone back to its value as an industrial commodity. I see silver dropping back to the $15 - $20 range by 2015. It may drop even lower right after the collapse as people that bought their silver based on the advice of TV commentators and talk radio hosts rush to unload. In short I see the first half of this decade playing out the same way as the first half of the 1980's. (There is a reason that places like Kitco.com only chart the historical price of silver back to 1985.)
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 Posted 11/17/2011  7:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add afclassic87 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
i don't see the global debt situation betting any better in the near future. I think gold and silver prices are hear to stay for many years. with any investment you are going to see the price go up and down based on people taking profit and re-buying into it. the best time to buy is when everyone else is selling.
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 Posted 11/17/2011  7:49 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ed_B to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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When the economy gets better...

My old logic professor would have called that "assuming a fact not in evidence". Perhaps it would be more accurate to say, "IF the economy gets better..."? At the current time, there is zero evidence that the politicians will be doing anything to actually help the economy improve. Merely getting out of the way would be a huge help but I don't see that happening either. The simple truth that few politicians seem able to grasp is that we simply have too much government. We are at the crossroads where we must decide whether we will grow the economy or grow government. We cannot afford to grow both. To grow the economy will require that we have about 1/2 of the government that we currently have. Considering all the sniveling that occurs when even minor cuts in government are suggested, getting to where we really need to be seems a political impossibility at the moment. I don't know... perhaps we need to feel a lot more economic and financial pain before giving up on the idea that government can do everything?

As to silver, today was a good time to add to my collection. I ordered 10 rolls of the silver proof Statehood Quarters + a $100 face bag of BU Roosevelt dimes. I had been waiting for a price pull-back before ordering and this seemed an appropriate time. Only the passage of time will reveal whether or not this was the best time to buy but I don't let such thoughts prevent me from investing. Fact is, if I never buy at a market low or sell at a market high, I can still make a LOT of money.

Additionally, I invested about $60k in the PLTT physical platinum ETF. This is a longer range investment of 2-3 years. Pt prices rarely ever drop below Au prices but when they do, the following 2 years usually has about a 60% profit in Pt associated with it. This is not guaranteed, of course, but the past 100 or so years show it to be the general trend.

Will silver drop to $15-20 an oz.? Maybe. No one knows for sure. My thought is that the economy and the government would have to show a HUGE improvement for this to occur. While this is possible it also seems quite unlikely considering what is happening in the world these days.
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Ed I figured you might pounce on this new window, and as it looks like they are both starting back up this evening as silver is back up 9 cents and gold back close to $1725. You may have picked the best window for now it appears, good timing, nice new additions there....
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alot of you have great points, biggest things I see for silver at least;
1.) increased demand in industrial use
2.) slowing of mining
3.) considered to be a safe form of investment
4.) easy to buy at spot
5.) great future in rapidly growing tech
ect...
with increased demand and less supply you will most certainly see an increase in price. Then again this is my feeling on the situation and this is why I will continue to invest in silver.
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