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1801 Potosi 8R... What's Going On Here?

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 Posted 11/22/2011  7:27 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add realeswatcher to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Curious...

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 Posted 11/22/2011  10:04 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Apollo to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
About what... if it's real.

IMO, looks cleaned, not fake. Did you do the magnet test?
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 Posted 11/23/2011  02:34 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add realeswatcher to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Magnets are best left on the fridge, holding photos of your relatives' kids that they insist on sending you in this, the age of the laser printer...

Take a closer look at the (obv) surface...
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 Posted 11/23/2011  07:34 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Larryh86GT to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I don't think coins are supposed to spall like that. It looks like a windshield that got hit by a stone. If I was looking at this to buy I think I would pass.
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 Posted 11/23/2011  10:39 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add swamperbob to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
In my opinion you are probably dealing with a counterfeit or at least a Restrike made for the China trade.

Please notice the incomplete dentils along the lower edge of the portrait side. This is caused by the fact that the coin that was copied LACKED that feature because it was struck off center. This coin being more concentric has too much coin and NOT ENOUGH DIE.

To me the missing metal actually looks like either a strike through or perhaps a trapped gas pocket.

The coin has 3 of the points normally seen on a Boston type and I suggest that the edge detail will also be incorrect.

NICE coin for a specialist. I for one would love to examine it up close.
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 Posted 11/23/2011  11:04 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Larryh86GT to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Is it cast?
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 Posted 11/23/2011  11:52 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MathieuMa to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It's doesn't look cast, the details are fine (not mushy)
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 Posted 11/23/2011  12:06 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TwoKopeiki to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Metal loss does look like a strike-through, since the doesn't appear to be any disturbance on the reverse, or raised edges. The dentils are a sure sign of a counterfeit, though. As Bob mentioned, the coin appears to be struck with a die that already had partial dentils, which would only happen on a counterfeit die made by using another coin as a template or transfer host.
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 Posted 11/24/2011  08:21 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Larryh86GT to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I am still missing what is wrong with the dentils. AARRGGHH.
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 Posted 11/24/2011  08:32 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MathieuMa to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The dentils on the face side, bottom, don't extend to the edge of the coin.
This sometime happens when the coin is not center, but in that case they are wayyy wider (like on the top on the other side)
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Ok - I kind of thought that was the edge itself I was seeing. So actually there is a sliver of undentiled area between the dentil and the corner of the edge? If so then I understand.
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Here's an example of what is happening with the strike. Look at the dentils at the bottom of the coin - see how they are showing a full circle of complete dentils with a portion of the planchet still showing before the rim due to the die being off-center? This is what you'd expect on a coin struct with the original die.

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 Posted 11/24/2011  9:57 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Larryh86GT to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Good info on the dentils guys. Thanks.
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