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Taler 1735 Real?

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 Posted 11/29/2011  5:25 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add t0rress to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
AR Tallero - Republic of Ragusa - Dalmatia Venice mint
Obv. TE.OPE. DIVINA.PER. - bust of Saint Blasius
Rev. DUCAT.ET.SEM. - REIP.RHAC. 1735
Is it real?If is real I will buy it for 600$


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 Posted 11/29/2011  6:04 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Apollo to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I have no idea. But that is a really nice coin.
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 Posted 11/29/2011  11:22 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add swamperbob to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I am way out of my experience base on this one. But I can make some observations.

The coin is high grade and looks great - so I am always suspicious because that makes it a great rarity and most coins say on ebay that look like this would be fakes.

The first thing I noticed was that the fields on the coin are pock marked. That is often a clue to a cast forgery. But the details seem clear so it does not have the mushy look of many cast copies.

I believe that this coin may have been made on a Rocker or Roller press which was standard in most of Europe in the late 1600's to early 1700's. The roller press was state of the art BEFORE the introduction of the screw press. I base this on the "clipped" appearance of the perimeter. In a roller press a strip of metal (usually thin) was fed between two rollers. The coin was then cut out of the metal strip after being flattened.

If this is a counterfeit it is a GREAT one. I hope it is NOT a fake.



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11/29/2011 11:23 pm
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 Posted 11/30/2011  02:45 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add t0rress to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
The coin is high grade and looks great - so I am always suspicious because that makes it a great rarity and most coins say on ebay that look like this would be fakes.

I dont buy from ebay I buy from one Bulgarian auction
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 Posted 11/30/2011  03:36 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MathieuMa to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
This coin is beautiful ! What an amazing design :)
And it looks real :)
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 Posted 11/30/2011  11:15 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add swamperbob to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
t0rress You say:


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I dont buy from ebay




If I were to see this same coin on ebay I would only bid on it as a forgery.

MathieuMa The coins of this period in Europe especially in the centers of learning and art often display amazing die work. The die sinkers were true artists NOT merely factory production workers like many mints employ.

You should perhaps look at Medals and Jetons from the same period because many of them are truly BEAUTIFUL, they are often EXTREMELY rare and they are typically UNDERVALUED.
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"and they are typically UNDERVALUED" .... shhhhhhhh! :)
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 Posted 11/30/2011  1:40 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add muddler to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The design and appearance of this coin is outstanding! Having no experience with these I cannot make an opinion on authenticity, but I like it.
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 Posted 11/30/2011  6:16 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Apollo to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
http://www.ngccoin.com/poplookup/Wo...oinid=238850

Here is a what it should be valued around. I think $600 is a good deal.
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I have same coin but my is GOLD
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Careful with this coin - this is most probably a late copy of the original "1733" coin, minted at 1971: https://www.sixbid.com/browse.html?...&lot=2023254

These are quite common and are worth only a bit more their weight in silver.

The golden coin to which you are refering to is most certainly the same type of late copy, since there were no golden "Bradans" (inofficial alias for this Ragusa taler).
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01/25/2016 04:53 am
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Indeed, this is the 1971 copy with an erased date (the light spot left of the shield).

I would suggest to go back to ebay for your next purchase :)

Taler-1735-Real?

This coin is worht around $100 if you are lucky.
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01/25/2016 09:38 am
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