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How To Read The Date On A Piece Of Eight

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 Posted 11/30/2011  08:53 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Larryh86GT to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
I just came across this and thought it was interesting and somewhat amusing. While the article covers finding out the date on a piece of 8 it probably is applicable to many coins. I know I wouldn't do this to any coin I care about. Anyone ever try this?

http://www.ehow.com/how_8236285_rea...e-eight.html

How to Read the Date on a Piece of Eight
By Leslie Renico, eHow Contributor

A piece of eight, also known as the Spanish dollar and the 8-real coin, first appeared in 1497 as part of the Spanish Empire's attempt to reform its currency. In the 15th and 16th centuries, the Spanish Empire spanned much of the globe, and so the piece of eight became the first internationally accepted form of currency. It was the precursor of the American dollar, and was legal to spend in the United States until 1857. Reading the date can help you figure out which Spanish monarch authorized the design of your coin, as each one wanted his own version. Finding the date, though, is not much different than with any of the other coins in your pocket.

Difficulty:
Easy
Instructions

1
Ensure that you are carrying an actual piece of eight. If you are new to coin collecting, you'll want to take it to a coin dealer in your town or consult world coin price guides.
2
Look for the four-digit number at the bottom of the coin's "heads," or obverse side. All Spanish pieces of eight feature the date in this same location, and it is the only four-digit number on either side of any version. Many versions of the piece of eight feature the reigning Spanish monarch on one side with four digits at the bottom. In most versions, the "tails," or reverse side, contains the royal crest of Spain. If you're looking at the crest, you need to turn the coin over to find the date. One notable version that features the crest on the reverse side but does not feature the monarch on the obverse side was the one authorized by King Philip V in 1739. The date is still on the obverse side of this version.
3
Heat a shovel or other metallic surface in a fire until it becomes red with the heat, if your coin has so much wear that the date has smoothed away. Then, put the coin on this heated metal. The heating will make any smoothed-over features, including the date, stand out. Do not touch the blade of the shovel with your hands once you have put it into the fire, and do not pick up the coin with your hand once you have put it on the shovel's blade. Have a metal bucket of water standing by to cool the shovel and the coin after you've seen the date. After you've cooled the coin and the shovel in the water, use a pair of metal tongs to pick up the coin as a precaution.
Tips & Warnings
If your piece of eight has a date before 1497 or after 1900, it is likely either a forgery or commemorative reproduction.
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 Posted 11/30/2011  08:57 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MathieuMa to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The issue is that often, when the date is not readable, it's because it's outside of the coin's surface :D
Nevertheless, interesting article :)
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Quote:
If your piece of eight has a date before 1497 or after 1900, it is likely either a forgery or commemorative reproduction.


I like the information on how to tell if it's a counterfeit or not.
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What is this person talking about?
"One notable version that features the crest on the reverse side but does not feature the monarch on the obverse side was the one authorized by King Philip V in 1739. The date is still on the obverse side of this version."
If she (assuming Leslie to be a she, sorry Leslie if I am wrong) is referring to the Pillar Dollar design (authorized in 1732, not 1737), the monarch is named on the shield side and the date is on the Pillar side. Most Pillar collectors refer to the date side as the reverse and the monarch side as the obverse so this article is completely wrong.
And for the record, I am not heating up a shovel or my coin in the search for the date.
But I agree with Larry, love the counterfeit warning.
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The shovel thing, if serious, is obviously moronic. I do want to say there might be something to the idea of exposure to high heat temporarily flushing out, or elucidating the date... Something about the way the heat will conduct in the recessed areas vs. the raised detail (striking pressure makes the metal physically different in those respective areas... same concept that allows Nic-A-Date to etch away the metal around the date of a Buffalo nickel). That might be quackery, of course, but I could swear I read that somewhere... possibly about worn French Ceres series Francs?

Thing is, why would you ever need to do this on a Pillar 8R or a Portrait 8R? By the time one of those huge dates is gone, your coin is likely a virtual slick, or completely damaged. In theory, that might be useful for a cob where the date is marginally, partially visible. Of course, you would almost certainly damage the coin, even if you had a less caveman-ish way of trying that concept...
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