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1911 S Cent With Missing Letters, Etc

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Yeah, strange coin.

Lots of missing spots on the both obverse and reverse. But with a 10x loupe I can't see evidence of hanky panky. No grinding marks or anything of the like.

Sure looks to me like this came from the mint.

Comments? (besides I need better pics)

1911-S-Cent-With-Missing-Letters,-Etc

1911-S-Cent-With-Missing-Letters,-Etc

Oh, VF-30? 35?

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New pics

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1911-S-Cent-With-Missing-Letters,-Etc

Once again, I looked again with a loupe for signs of abrasion. I just can't see any.
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Struck through obverse with a weak reverse strike?
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The IE on the obverse are from a Grease Filled Die. The weakness on the reverse are the areas normally affected on a weakly struck Lincoln. Those areas are affected because they are directly opposite the relief points on the obverse that require a lot of metal to fill.
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Oh, so you're saying that because the die was grease filled, it couldn't exert much pressure on the coin, and this showed up on the reverse?
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I think yes and no. Even without a debris filled obv.
die the coin could still have the attributes as shown
on the rev. Even the rev. could of been debris filled
or a combination of die wear/normal wear.
But as Bad mentioned if you look at the relief points directly
opposite the rev. wear areas you can tell if that is so. Or not :)
As far as in Liberty, I think a combination of debris and
Die Deterioration. I think they ran these dies for a while.
See no signs of any real maint./polishing on this one.

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Thanks, folks.

Oh, VF 30? VF 35?
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Oh, so you're saying that because the die was grease filled, it couldn't exert much pressure on the coin, and this showed up on the reverse?



No, is was just filled in the LIB part of the obverse die.

As part of the coining process, operators adjust the striking pressure and die separation distance (among other varibles). When these are on the conservative side (to extend die life) coins tend not to be fully struck and it's hard for metal to flow completely into the die recesses.

As far as grade, you coin is VF-20/25 at best. Also, most of us hardcore Lincoln guys prefer well-struck coins, so the weakness actually hurts the coin, semi-key or not.
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Ah. Thanks!
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