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1864 IHC - Rotated

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I have this 64 rotated nearly 180 Deg. What would be the grade and is there a premium? The photo in the 2 x 2 is to show the rotation. The second photo is out of the holder.

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12/10/2011 12:52 pm
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It looks VF, the holder may not be showing the coin as well as it could.

With 180 degrees. I would think there could be a nice premium attached.
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12/10/2011 12:23 pm
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Is this a bronze or copper-nickel Indian?
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1864 Indian cents rotated between 90 and 180 degrees are estimated to be at the R4 level according to http://www.rotateddies.com. That is, there are estimated to be up to 200 surviving specimens. If you search for rotated Indian cents on ebay, you will *always* find several 1864's, usually the 1864-L, and usually an 1897 (which the same seller always lists for way too much $$). Anyhow, 1864 are some of the more common ones. I have an 1864-L rotated 175 degrees, an 1864 no L (bronze) rotated 105 degrees, and an 1864 copper-nickel rotated 95 degrees. Although supply may be low, demand is also low as few people specialize in them.

As far as value, most of the copper nickel Indian cents in G condition go for $25. Except for the 1859, which is fairly rare to find rotated and might go for $50. The 1863 is the most common copper nickel to find rotated, and you'll often find those on the bay too. In higher grades, including yours, you can generally add $20 to the value. Unless they are in MS grades, then the rotation generally does not add extra money to the coin.

neat coin though! is yours copper nickel or bronze?

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12/10/2011 7:15 pm
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This is the bronze. It weighs 3.1 grams. It is more brown than the photo.
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bronze is probably the 2nd most common (or 2nd most rarest!) for the 1864 trio to have the rotated dies.
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I'd say a nice fine (I'd go VF if it was CN) with about a 170° ccw rotated reverse.
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Nice! I have an 1897 that is 180.
They are mint errors so yes, a premium is in order.
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