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New Member
United States
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It does to me.   The scratches on the reverse... They appear to be underneat the wreath and "ONE CENT" text. |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
1934 Posts |
Not exactly sure what you suspect. I dont suspect it's been hugely cleaned and damaged...I know it has been.
I can be a little militant about coins...if I were to buy that coin, I'm not sure I would.
Jim
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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it's been hugely cleaned and damaged  but why don't the scratches on the rev show on the wreath and lettering as they do on the date? Can't figure that out. |
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Valued Member
United States
230 Posts |
The scratches on the date look to me like they came from the harsh cleaning. I would say they don't show on the devices on the reverse because they have long ago been worn off along with the details on the devices. What baffles me about the scratches on the reverse is that they go right up to the very edges of the devices. I would think what ever tool scratched the field would have been lifted by the devices as it went along leaving a space on the field between the scratch and the device. It is as if the scratches were on the die but that can't be or they would be raised.
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Valued Member
United States
168 Posts |
I suspect what happened was that the reverse was gunked between the devices and someone removed it with a knife. The coin looks like a ground find that someone harshly cleaned to remove the oxidation.
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Rest in Peace
United States
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I would say they don't show on the devices on the reverse because they have long ago been worn off along with the details on the devices. What baffles me about the scratches on the reverse is that they go right up to the very edges of the devices. Good point, that is my theory too. The scratches were made a long time ago when the wreath had more detail. Since wear primarily affects the high points, the scratches would wear of on the wreath but remain in the fields. The coin looks genuine to me. |
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Valued Member
United States
230 Posts |
Another coin for the "If they could only talk" collection!
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New Member
 United States
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I wasn't sure what I suspected, I guess... Mostly fowlplay, but by whom... Previous owner, or the mint? Thanks for the responses!
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Moderator
 United States
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Yeah, PMD. There were probably scratches across the wreath at one time but since that's a high point, circulation wore them off. swcoin.ecrater.com
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Valued Member
United States
136 Posts |
I'm sure the scratches were on the devices at some point in time, but they most likely were rubbed off as the coin accumulated normal wear. |
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
10045 Posts |
The coin does look it had severe environmental damage at some point, with heavy corrosion removed from obverse.
And, some of the damage on the obverse looks more recent, perhaps to hide damage as normal wear?
Whatever the cause, it's a total cull, and should be priced as such.
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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The thing is those cuts are HEAVY. Even if wear was able to remove the traces of the top surfaces, since they go right up to the edge of the lettering and devices you would expect them to have cut into the edges and that should still be visible. Also there are areas where the cuts go all the way to the edge of a letter and then shows on the other side all the way up to the letter. The only way for that to happen would be for the cut to cut completely through the letter down to below the surface of the field. There is no way that wear would get rid of a cut like that on the top surface of the letter.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
1934 Posts |
I was thinking a lot of the same things, Conder. The only thing not beyond my imagination is the suggestion that, at some point, someone cleaned residue in between the numbers and the wreath.
That, however, begs the question about the symmetry of the lines from one side of the date number to the other and from the inside to the outside of the wreath.
The only other explanation I can think of: the planchet was damaged before it was stamped.
Edited by j_h_s
12/13/2011 08:06 am
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New Member
United States
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A lot of the heavier lines seem to follow through the wreath and letters though... Even through the C, N, and the O ine ONE! Let's keep this discussion going!
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Pillar of the Community
United States
1934 Posts |
I'm sticking my neck out and saying planchet damage. There is too much symmetry with the scratches and I cant imagine that surfaces of the wreath or letters were ever scratched to the degree the planchet is scratched and then wore off during circulation.
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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I can't buy planchet damage because the fields of the dies should have done a real number crushing those cuts between the letters. If you have seen heavy adjustment marks on the early coins you can see that the marks get flattened nearly completely in the fields. Not left open like these.
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Posted 12/11/2011 09:25 am
