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8 Reales - Ferdinand VII - Mexico 1809

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 Posted 12/22/2011  10:39 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add MathieuMa to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Dedicated to TwoKopeiki :)
My Leunda coins arrived as well, it took more time as I paid late (and grabbed some after auction)

Here is the most clean one I got, a nice 8 reales minted for Ferdinand VII in 1809 in Mexico.

8-Reales---Ferdinand-VII---Mexico-1809
8-Reales---Ferdinand-VII---Mexico-1809
8-Reales---Ferdinand-VII---Mexico-1809
8-Reales---Ferdinand-VII---Mexico-1809

I was wondering about the edge, not sure why, but the coin looks great :)
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12/22/2011 10:41 am
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 Posted 12/22/2011  7:21 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TwoKopeiki to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Looks like a nice clean example with a better strike than a lot of the coins I've seen of the Military Bust series. Edge seems ok. The overlaps look to be at 5 and 11 o'clock. Nice pick-up. I'd stash it away in an old coin envelope for a few years to get some patina going.
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12/22/2011 9:33 pm
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Yes very nice, well struck coin.
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 Posted 12/23/2011  01:04 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jfransch to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Beautiful example.
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Thanks :) The coin indeed looks great, with excellent details and luster.
I'd like it to have a patina though (was it dipped ?).

TwoKopeiki : when you say "old coin envelope" ... well I don't have any old ones :p (I suppose new mylar ones are fine ?)
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 Posted 12/23/2011  10:32 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Westwood Arms to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
We all probably know this, but TwoKopeiki is refering to the effects of sulfurous paper used in older, probably 1970s and before 2x2 coin envelopes. The sulfur reacts with the coin metal to produce toning or patina. I stuck a white 1964 US 25c away in one of these old holders a couple months ago. Let you know what happens.

There is also a way to "sulfurize" modern paper by exposing it to powdered sulfur in a very controlled environment. Then put the coin in the sulfurized paper holder to tone it. Big discussion as whether this is coin doctoring or not. Don't think I'll try it.
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Oh ok, I see what you mean. I once used eggs on a cleaned coin, in order to re-tone it a bit (the coin had been put in an electrolysis system, and the guy did that in a way that left black crap from the contact with the power ...).
It has some strange results sometimes, I managed to get a blue toning on a silver cob (catholic kings) for example :D

That was doctoring, but an old envelope is not IMHO - it's the same as putting it in a wooden coin cabinet ...
I'd like to see how your 25c ends, I wonder how long it takes :)

Thanks for the clarifications, I didn't knew that old envelopes had sulfurous paper :D
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 Posted 12/23/2011  11:27 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Pandesalapi to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It's a very nice piece.
Just an exposure in air, maybe on your shelf will create toning over time. say in two months on each side
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 Posted 12/23/2011  11:55 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Westwood Arms to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Probably shouldn't have, but just looked at the quarter. No change. I'll put it up in the hot attic this summer.
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As Westwood Arms mentioned, I was referring to putting the coin into an old sulfurous envelop to develop a light patina over the years. It's a personal choice, though. Great coin either way!
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From the still-darkened edges and the couple scattered spots on the obv/rev, this might be an old hoard/stash find of some sort that was "conserved". Definitely a good amount of original luster remaining, though, especially in the protected areas of the reverse.

Actually quite good rims for one of these imaginary bust pieces...
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