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1823 Bustie. First Attempt At Attribution

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OK....so I got a copy of the overton book (revised edition).

I think this is an O-101a.

Any help would be appreciated!



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Edited-cause I forgot pics!
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It's a little too worn for me to tell.
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I based my conclusion on where the 7th star pointed and the reworked 3 for the obv. the position of I for the rev. Like I said first time trying to attribute so.....IDK.
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I think this one's O-101a. The 3 seems to lean hard to the right and is obviously blundered, indicating O-101, 101a or 102. The sheer size of the center of the 3 makes me eliminate O-101 - O-101a only differs from 101 in that the 3 was "reinforced" with an extra punch in the center, making it noticeably fatter than O-101's 3. Yours appears to demonstrate this characteristic.

O-102 uses a different reverse with the right side of the I and left side of the T in line, making the I noticeably farther left than on your coin. If I had to call that relationship based on the single image provided, I'd call your coin "left side of I and T in line," rather than "I centered under T," making it also characteristic of thee shared O-101/O-101a reverse.

Now. O-110, the "Ugly 3," is darn close, but there's more circumstantial evidence to me than what's presented above. First, the top curve of the O-101 3 is much rounder than that of O-110, which is noticeably flattened. The O-110 center spine of the 3 is much better-defined than O-101, and your coin (knowing it's quite worn) should still show more of a spike there if it's O-110. I could more easily see O-101a wearing to the look of your coin than O-110.

Second, the relationship between the D on UNITED and the E below indicates O-101 better than O-110. The E is farther right with O-110, most of the stand being clear to the right of the stand of the D. Your coin shows them closer to lining up on the right, characteristic of O-101.

Hence, O-101a.

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I think this one's O-101a


Well Done, Dave. Very good explanation for those of us still learning attribution. Thanks.
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Thanks Dave and Jeff! Looks like I got this one right! I could get addicted to these coins. I have a couple more that I will photo and try to attribute. Thanks again!
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Especially with atttributing Busties, it's critical that your camera is completely square to the coin. The I-T and E-D relationships are critical, and have to be shown accurately. The clearer, the better, because the space between arrows is also important, as are individual letter relationships and the location and orientation of 50C.

I say this not for you, amida17, since you've got it figured out, but for those others reading who want to present Busties for attribution.

Hope you don't have an 1827. They're brutal.
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with an Overton of O-101a (Patched 3)

The right leaning 3 with the extra blob (hence the "Patched" 3) of metal in the center of the 3 to correct the "Broken" 3 of the O-101 die marriage is pretty indicative of this pair.


Closeup Date of an O-101a 1823 CBHD

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