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Valued Member
United States
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I have been doing some research on coin sorting by machine rather than hand sorting and have some questions for the gurus.
1. What does it take to pay? I have seen several videos about different sorters and how many pennies it takes to pay. I would love to hear some first hand experiences.
2. What about sorting silver?
3. Is there really a good machine that can sort both copper and silver?
4. What kind of maintenance is needed to keep it going and what will it cost?
5. If it is worthwhile, what machine do you recommend?
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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1. I have figured you would have to sort about $5000 face to pay off a Ryedale, assuming 20% Cu and sell at 1.5 times face. Both are average for me. I would go over to the Realcent forum. the guy who invented the Ryedale, the first and best (IMO) penny sorting machine, is a member there., 2. A Ryedale will sort silver, but you need a different chute and feed wheel or it will jam. 3. answered that above.  4. new $10 feed wheel for a ryedale about every $5 to $10 thousand face. new $10 coin cup about every 10 to 20 thousand face. plus electricity (minimal) and lubricant(the tube that comes with the machine will last a long time) 5 I think that is obvious from what I have written above. I have looked at the other machines out there (Penny Miser, Copper King, etc) and none of them compare to the Ryedale in speed, accuracy, or performance. |
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Valued Member
 United States
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I have looked at the Ryedales and there are several different machines that they sell. Which of these do you recommend; the apprentice, sniper, or artis(if I got those names right)?
Edited by firstcoin
12/26/2011 12:10 am
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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They only sell the apprentice on their site, but you could probobly shoot Ryedale a PM on Realcent and he could hook you up with a used version of the other models. He also makes a cheaper version of the Apprentice, that is $375, but so far he has only sold those od Realcent, or you could wait for one to come up on ebay. I know the artist only runs as fast as you can turn the crank. The sniper is the older version, but it only sorts pennies; I thing the Apprentice and the new smaller version of the Apprentice(I forgot the name)are the only ones that can be converted for dimes or nickels. |
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Bedrock of the Community
Australia
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I should imagine that coin sorting machines 'approve' coins to be suitable for re circulation. That being said, ANY coin of the denomination you are searching, provided that it meets specification, will be 'approved'.
That could mean the sorter would pass dimes, for instance, that would be silver, or any other metal composition as well. They would be totally incapable of picking die variations or minor errors.
The only reason to require such a machine would be for a commercial operation that would not be concerned with numismatics.
I guess that if you wanted to find out more about a machine, perhaps you may wish to get in contact with the manufacturer.
If such a machine would be capable of satisfying a numismatic requirement, the volume of your requests for coins from the banks, suggest that they may be very unwilling to comply.
Besides, a trained human eye is far more reliable.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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No, a Ryedale does not sort coins suitable for circulation. It is essentially a high speed metal detector/discriminator. In the case of cents it will sort copper vs. zinc cents, nothing more. You are correct that it won't sort via numismatic value. This machine is intended for people to extract intrinsic value out of cents, nothing else. You still have to go through them by hand for numismatic properties, but having them pre-sorted by zinc and copper makes the mental task of searching a bit less taxing on the brain.
As for a well trained eye being better than a machine for sorting copper vs. zinc is doubtful. I would bet money that a Ryedale is far more accurate sorting 1982 Lincoln cents than any human could ever dream to be especially when you take time into account. I dare anyone to sort 10,000 1982 cents for copper vs. zinc in less than an hour by eye, a ryedale can do it with time to spare....a lot of time to spare in fact!
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12/26/2011 6:53 pm
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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actually, a Ryedale will match any coin you put into it, the coins that match the metal composition will come out on one side, and the coins that don't match will come out on the other side.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Hehe and once my project is complete, I'll have a sorting machine that is capable of sorting by date and variety. Gotta love a little bit of AI (but more on that later). :-)
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Valued Member
United States
71 Posts |
Am I correct that the Ryedale will also sort nickels, dimes and quarters?
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Rest in Peace
United States
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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If your a Numismatist, only hand sorting and counting should be used.
If your just sorting and counting coins in bulk and don't care about what happens to them, just take them to a bank. Why pay for a machine that the banks will do for free?
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Rest in Peace
United States
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The bank isn't going to sort out copper cents and return them to you.
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Valued Member
United States
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@just_carl: I believe firstcoin is hunting for metal not numismatist value. He is looking for copper and silver.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Am I correct that the Ryedale will also sort nickels, dimes and quarters?
I don't think they make the feed wheel for quarters yet. |
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Valued Member
United States
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I intend to do both, sort by metal and by numismatistic value. I have had no luck finding much of numismatistic value in newer coins, and I have been kicking around the idea of a sorter.
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