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How Does This Guy Have So Few Negs When All He Sells Is Junk

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 Posted 12/26/2011  5:52 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add coinguybrian to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
http://www.ebay.com/sch/darkcoiner/...trksid=p3692

I reported him but I don't imagine it will do much good...
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 Posted 12/26/2011  6:20 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add pls to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I can't see any junk for sale in his listings, unless they're fakes. (And it's not illegal to sell junk - I do it every other year in my garage sales and make out like a bandit!)
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 Posted 12/26/2011  6:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coinguybrian to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Junk as in polished up stuff with horribly over-exposed photos
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 Posted 12/26/2011  6:30 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add scubu to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
So you're right and almost 11K people are wrong because you don't like the look of his photos?
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 Posted 12/26/2011  6:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coinguybrian to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
yeah totally scubu...you've got me figured out. I just don't like the look of his photos. These are reasonably accurate grades and photos that attempt to accurately represent the items being sold.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1923-Lincol..._2415wt_1110

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1853-Braide..._2343wt_1110

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1861-Seated..._2343wt_1110

Yeah, right. Oh by the way, quit making snide posts, its annoying.

I realize that ebayers love shiny things, but I'm still surprised this guy doesn't have more negs given that almost every seller I've seen who sells coins like this has a lot more. There's a million comments about 'this is cleaned' or that they returned it etc but they're all positive. Many of us have had the situation where someone negs us before we can even do anything...and all of us (or at least the vast majority) don't try to rip people off like him...
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 Posted 12/26/2011  6:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jaycutler to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I wouldn't have gone to the trouble to report him but yes Shadowcreator is right there is several buffed coins.I'm sure there over exposed to try to hide that fact.
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 Posted 12/26/2011  6:55 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add scubu to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The word cleaned appears once on the first page of 200 feedback, didn't check any further than that. I will say this, wrong lighting can make a dull coin look shiny. Disregarding feedback, his "Item as described" is 4.9 which is excellent for a coin seller. So maybe the answer to "How does this guy have so few negs" is deceiving images.
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 Posted 12/26/2011  7:11 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jaycutler to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
My guess would be most people don't feel like its worth the time to contact,mail back,leave negative feedback and probably decide to call it a learning experience.I'm speaking from experience ofcourse.
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 Posted 12/26/2011  8:07 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coinguybrian to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The 'dull reflectivity' indicates polished, it looks different when its just the photos (looks more 'dipped' then polished). I've seen this guy selling polished XF as gem BU. Strangely enough buyers always have the time to leave neg for smaller sellers. Maybe this guy throws in free coins with every sale where the buyer gets gipped.
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 Posted 12/26/2011  8:41 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CoinHunter53562 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Just so it's clear to everyone, why exactly are you reporting him?
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I believe he is purposefully misdescribing listings...anyone with any coin experience knows these coins arent Gem unc. Also I believe that the quality of the photos shows that he is purposefully trying to deceive buyers. It's not like greatsoutherncoin where they juice their stuff; when sellers take photos with this quality and they're a big time seller there's only one reason for it. Maybe aboncom does the same thing, but this guy is actually selling more 'collectible coins' and he doesn't have a zillion feedback so hopefully if enough people report him he will be disciplined at least. I doubt it though.
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 Posted 12/27/2011  4:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coinguybrian to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Good news!

Dear Brian,

Thanks for reporting these listings to us.

I sent your report to our Coin Community Watch group and they agreed
with your assessment of the coins. As a result, I ended the listings.

Again, thank you for your report Brian. We appreciate your help in
keeping ebay a safe and reputable forum to conduct business.

Sincerely,

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 Posted 12/27/2011  5:16 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add scubu to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I have to be honest, as much as I have praised ebay's response to reports, CCW is getting a little out of control. They ended one of my listings just because somebody emailed and said I had the wrong Overton number on it. The reporter was dead wrong, but CCW just took their word for it and ended the listing without warning. Spent an hour on the phone getting it straightened out.

I'm curious, can you post here exactly what you said in your report? I mean I have 100% feedback, 4.9 item as described, and am a Top-Rated seller just like this guy and if someone reported me because they *think* my coins are polished based on images they *think* are overexposed.... I'd be furious.
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It's not really that I just 'think' they are over-exposed, its extreme. Big difference between slightly off photos and something like that Half Cent that I put up. It's almost on par with sellers like numismaticbureau. Not to mention that I've seen him many times put a corroded piece of trash up and call it choice unc.

Come on seriously though, it was an XF polished and corroded coin and he was calling it GEM BU. Did you see it and the other two? Just because theoretically something can be subjective doesn't mean this guy isn't take it way way too far. I've seen stuff that is polished and over-exposed like that, and I've seen stuff that's normal and over-exposed. The normal stuff just looks cleaned or dipped, or mildly polished maybe if its a PL morgan or something but even then there's a difference. Turn up the exposure on a normal coin, it still doesn't look anything like those photos. I've never seen a coin like this guy's that didn't turn out polished, and I've bought many of them (at a discount of course). I would bet my arm that those coins that I linked are purposefully trying to hide polishing/harsh cleaning from newbie ebayers.

You have a point, though. I've gotten a few listings removed for seemingly inane reasons and I suppose it was because of the same thing. If they're not actually reviewing the listings and just trashing them because of a report, then that's wrong. I've seen the same thing done on big sites like yahoo answers, where if enough people report something it will just automatically ban the person.

Here was report:

"Message: These coins (particularly the first one) are blatantly not as
described; cleaned/polished up and over-graded. This should be obvious to anyone with coin experience. Photos are purposefully and deceitfully
over-exposed at an angle so the seller can claim its 'Unc' so amateur
bidders will bid it up. Only logical conclusion is that seller knows
what he is doing and is trying to rip people off. This seller has a
bunch of other polished junk hes trying to pass off as 'GEM BU' or
whatever and hes been doing this for awhile...he's an embarrassment to
ebay and its especially laughable that hes top-rated...he needs to be
banned or at least disciplined and told to stop putting false
descriptions.

Thanks."
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12/27/2011 5:55 pm
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 Posted 12/27/2011  9:07 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add pls to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Junk as in polished up stuff with horribly over-exposed photos


Ah - this time I pulled up a couple of closeups instead of just scanning the listings of thumbnails in the link you provided. I see what you mean now. Good call (At least I price MY junk appropriately!)
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What happened to ShadowCreator?

Take a look at the rim on his AU++/Unc. bust half.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1836-Capped...em3cba65a9d9
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