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I hate to say this, but you're going to have a tough time selling this stuff at all the week of Christmas/New Year's. Heck, I'm not listing again until February. If you list now, you're going to take a bath.
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Thanks for the response, Super Dave. With silver being at 29.00 would I have normally gotten more than 550.00 for the 20 ounces if not for the holidays? That comes out to 27.50 for a standard ounce of 90% silver. I didn't know what to expect but thought that was pretty good. Do you see anything I could/should have done different with the listing? I'm a complete newb at selling coins on ebay. Edited by Landon
12/23/2011 10:02 pm
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Not to be a killjoy but $27.50 per ounce is the gross sales price. Out of that you had to pay ebay fees, likely paypal, shipping, and insurance. Calculate it all out, see how much you got per oz after expenses... then you'll know how good you did. I think a lot of it is the timing. |
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Uh, secret argent, why would you think you are a kill joy? You think I thought ebay and paypal were free services? And that there were no shipping cost involved? I did the math already. After fees and expenses it equals out to 30.00 an ounce, maybe a little more. How much over spot do 90% coins normally bring? Edited by Landon
12/23/2011 10:54 pm
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Well, keep in mind that 90% US coinage contains about .72 ounces of silver per dollar face value. Current melt value of $1 of silver coinage is about $21. 20 ounces of half dollars would be 49.76 coins. Rounding down, you are selling $24.50 face value. $24.50 (face value) x $21 = $514.50 silver melt value of those coins. So, it sounds like you got a good deal. Usually silver coinage is sold by the face value, not the weight in ounces. Keep in mind, there are 31.1 g in a troy ounce, so if you weighed these out at 28 grams per ounce you are about to get a negative feedback. |
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I just did what I saw everyone else do on ebay an listed as ounces. All the auctions that were selling 90% coins by troy ounce clearly stated such. Everyone I saw had positive feedback with thousands of similar completed listings. It took $23.10 face value on my scale to make 20 ounces at 28.5 grams per ounce. |
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I know it's a pretty common practice for people to list silver coins on ebay as so many ounces, 1/4 lbs or whatever. I don't understand why anyone would bid on an auction like that, especially if it's not specified if the seller is going with troy or avoidupois measurements. There's a lot of variability in the weight of a dollar face value of silver but X times face is still the standard measurement used to value junk silver. Having said all that, you sold $23.10 face for $550. Ignoring the fact that you are paying for shipping & fees you got roughly 23.8 times face. With silver at $29 melt would be $20.74 so you sold for more than melt. I don't follow ebay enough to know if that's a good result or not. If your coins were better than average a clear picture of exactly what you were selling might get you more than that. You would have to check on results of similar ended auctions to know for sure. Whatever the result it's pretty hard for someone to complain if they knew exactly what they were buying. Listing as so many ounces without specifying what type of ounces leaves you open to a complaint and/or negative feedback. |
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I did the math already. After fees and expenses it equals out to 30.00 an ounce, maybe a little more. How much over spot do 90% coins normally bring? You miscalculated. $30 an ounce would be $600 after fees, you only got $550 before fees. 90% recently brings spot or a little less. No harm in listing weight, but most buyers want a face value amount (too). Quote:
Everyone I saw had positive feedback with thousands of similar completed listings. It took $23.10 face value on my scale to make 20 ounces at 28.5 grams per ounce. Another miscalculation. 20 ounces of silver content would be 691.2 grams, not 570. Silver is 31.103 per ounce, and you need to divide by .9 for purity. The buyer has a potential claim for SNAD. There's another problem. Bidders are going to be more likely to buy from someone with thousands of FB than 30. A side problem is you're selling a $600 item, where $100-200 might be more in line with some bidders' budgets. ebay is prolly not the best outlet for bullion silver coins, unless you are well established and sell constantly and know the tricks of the trade. You took a pretty bad hit. You got $500 or so after fees for $23.10 in silver (which prolly should have been $28.00). Silvertowne is paying $19.20 per dollar* ($443.52 or $537.60 for the above amounts), and they'll take all you've got, no fooling around with slow payers, taking pix, writing ads, attempted returns, ebay fees, etc. *24.15 per troy oz. |
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Biggfredd, before throwing around all the "miscalculations" you should have read the listing and my initial post. The listing plainly states the auction is for 20 ounces of 90% silver coins. Not for 20 ounces of pure silver, not for 20 troy ounces of 90% coins, and not for 20 troy ounces of pure silver. 550 divided by 20 is 27.50. 27.50 for a standard ounce of 90% coins equals out to 30.00 an ounce for a troy ounce of pure silver after I account for the fees and shipping. A standard ounce is 28.5 grams. 20 x's 28.5 is in fact 570. All of this led me to contact the winning bidder. They said they indeed were bidding on 20 standard ounces of 90% silver coins. I told them that meant me putting coins on a scale and it totaling 570 grams and they said that was exactly what they thought. I also just looked at hundreds of active and closed auction listings and this appears to be a very common practice on ebay. |
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By law, silver is measured in troy ounces, 31.103 grams per. Using 28.5 grams to the ounce (avoirdupois are 28.35 grams) doesn't work.
OK, I'll accept 20 ounces gross weight, or 18 ounces silver content. $27.50 for 28.35 grams of 90% would be 25.5 g pure, or $33.55 per ounce before expenses, so your $30 per ounce of silver after expenses is prolly correct.
It's still a complex and confusing way to sell silver coins. So much simpler to use either troy ounces pure or multiple of face value.
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Ah...I see the problem. You are WEIGHING 90% silver. Sell it by face value - $20 face value of Walking Liberty halves. You sold 20 ounces...you are correct in how you are selling by weight, but going against the normal selling grain of 90% silver coinage. http://www. (124) Not Allowed - Auto-Removed .com/coins/silver_calc.php As of this morning, with spot at 29.04, you did very well in selling the 49 halves for %550. Silver value was $514.xx. |
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you are correct in how you are selling by weight Not really, since silver is sold by troy weight. |
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All of the above is EXACTLY why most sellers sell by Face Value of coin. I can assure you many potential bidders took a look at your auction and passed because it was not sold by face value. Not everyone is comfortable dealing in weight where as everyone can pretty much figure out face value : )
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I like to haggle with sellers of 90% silver. Cull/AG/G/VG/F/VF/XF coins should not garner the same price times face as AU/BU coins.
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Landon: If you have acquired that amount of silver over a long period of time, you have 'dollar cost averaged' your current position, which is usually a good thing.
Rationally, to move out of your silver position, the same thing should also apply in selling out of your position. Normally, this should yield the best result for you.
It also keeps you aware on a current basis of the daily silver price, and to release the right amount of silver that suits you, relative to the current price.
Keep perusing the posts in the 'bullion' part of this Forum.
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